Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I would question how much design they actually do and how much is sales driven TBH.

... in terms of they're not designed to wear whilst doing the washing up!

We do loads of those variax ti plates and its the first time I've ever seen only one screw or locking peg in the distal end.
Back on topic though, I'd definitely let RST know. You've nothing to lose and like you say if the consultant Orthopod reckons they could've been a contributary factor to the severity of the fractures then they may well take notice.

Originally Posted by Speedy Claire

Thanks everyone.... to clarify Chris he broke the same 7 (I think it was 7) bones in both hands and the same bones in both wrists but the right wrist was slightly more damaged and required the titanium plating. Co-incidentally the plate (I think it was made from carbon fibre) on the back of the right glove broke in several places which could possibly account for the more severe damage to the wrist?

Claire,couple of questions:
a)If you wear the gloves and bend your wrist fully backwards(as when we open the throttle suddenly) does the plate apply prersure to the back of the wrist and/or limits the range of motion?
b)The very edge of the plate(under the red rim),is it hard(eg carbon fibre) or it has some elasticity?
c)Can you point exactly when was the plate broken?

Originally Posted by DMC

Well said Clare.

If you have concerns about the design of the gloves, simply draw it to RST's attention.

Despite what Bozzo says, the gloves are designed to give 'impact' protection. This is explained in RST's online literature, & no doubt in the literature supplied with the gloves.

PPE is a term principally used for protective equipment in the workplace, the CE mark will therefore only generally be used in respect of such equipment. That said, the term is also applied to any equipment used for personal protection. However, as there is no regulatory requirement to wear gloves whilst riding a bike, there is no requirement to mark gloves used for that purpose with the CE mark.

Most people (Bozzo excepted) would not make the mistake of buying motorcycle gloves to protect themselves from the rain, although gear used for weather protection could also be classed as PPE.

I know you don't wish to pursue a claim against RST, however, if you did, you would have to prove that the gloves were defective in some way (either design or manufacture) and that the defect caused or contributed to the injury.

A point where Bozzo is correct is that protective equipment cannot always prevent injury. If you fall of a motorcycle I think you can expect to sustain injury of some degree, no matter what gear you are wearing. The gloves will be designed to provide as much protection as possible to a multitude of scenarios. I think in this case Dave has just been unlucky in the way the accident occurred and the way he fell, causing realively serious injuries under the circumstances. The gloves may well have contributed to these, but that does not mean they are defective.

In any event, it is definitely worth making RST aware of the potential problem so they at least investigate and redesign if they deem necessary.

Glad Dave is making good progress.

Love and peace x

Many thanks hun... and yep he`s making fantastic progress. Hope all`s well with you x

Originally Posted by TOLAROS

Claire,couple of questions:
a)If you wear the gloves and bend your wrist fully backwards(as when we open the throttle suddenly) does the plate apply prersure to the back of the wrist and/or limits the range of motion?
b)The very edge of the plate(under the red rim),is it hard(eg carbon fibre) or it has some elasticity?
c)Can you point exactly when was the plate broken?

a) yep it does put pressure on the back of the wrist... just where the hand joins the wrist. Not sure about whether it limits the range of motion as Dave hasn`t got full range of movement in that hand just yet.

b) It`s hard.... carbon fibre.

c) Nope he can`t. All he remembers is that he was still holding the handle bars when he landed. Gloves were obv fine and in good repair prior to the accident but the carbon fibre is broken in a couple of places on one of the gloves

Originally Posted by DMC

Despite what Bozzo says


Most people (Bozzo excepted)

A point where Bozzo

These have you now marked down in my book as a c0ck

Love and peace

Originally Posted by Speedy Claire

How dare you start insulting people and spouting off untrue facts purely because you couldn`t be bothered reading the thread. Your laziness made you jump to a conclusion and you`ve made a total prat of yourself. I`ll repeat once more that Dave is not looking for financial compensation from RST other than the possibility of a refund for the cost of the gloves. His bike is fully repaired without claiming from anyones insurance company and he is on full pay whilst off sick so does not need to resort to "trying to pass the buck and claim some compo"

I haven't mad a prat of myself at all - I'm not the one trying to get the cost of a pair of gloves back off the manufacturer after I crashed... which is in a way asking for compensation. I got one fact wrong and that was a consequence of reading something further down the thread - Dave went over the bars after doing an endo and didn't let go of the bars when he did so, as reported by Ralph in this thread, so he didn't fall square on his hands... big deal, I got that bit wrong.

Have you thought that maybe he smashed the backs of his hands into both the brake and clutch levers as he did so. No amount of armour in any type of glove is going to stop bones from being broken in those circumstances. Why the crash happened and who is to blame are not factors, facts are he obviously had a bad enough crash to break his hands, he wasn't wearing CE approved gloves, therefore he has little or no chance of even getting a response from RST let alone the cost of the gloves back. Even if they were CE approved the manner in which he went over the bars and didn't let go left him wide open to an injury that no glove on earth could have saved him from, if it was the levers he smashed his hands against.

When it all boils down to it, he crashed, he's the only person who kind of knows what happened and I doubt that he was looking to see what his hands hit and how they got broken. So, in short, he's probably as clueless as anyone reading this thread is about the actual circumstances of how exactly his hands got injured, and without that knowledge he's going to have a hard time even explaining to RST that their gloves were to blame, let alone getting the cost of the gloves back.

Originally Posted by DMC

PPE is a term principally used for protective equipment in the workplace, the CE mark will therefore only generally be used in respect of such equipment. That said, the term is also applied to any equipment used for personal protection. However, as there is no regulatory requirement to wear gloves whilst riding a bike, there is no requirement to mark gloves used for that purpose with the CE mark.

I'd suggest you read up on the following before stating again that gloves for motorcycle use don't get CE Approval.

http://www.satra.co.uk/spotlight/art...iew.php?id=363

You'll note that since 2002 there has been a European Standard for protective gloves for professional motorcyclists, this has since been revised to include a second lower standard. These gloves are available to anyone riding a bike, you don't have to be a professional and they don't cost the earth.

There are also European Standards covering motorcycle boots, goggles, clothing (none of which are a legal requirement to ride on the road in the UK or anywhere else in Europe) and helmets (which are obligatory)... in fact you can kit yourself out from head to toe in CE approved gear should you wish to significantly reduce the chances of injury in a crash. CE approval is one of the first things I look for in my riding kit, hence I own Oxtar boots, MJK leathers and Held gloves, all with CE approval labels stitched in.

For years on this forum I've been advocating the purchase of quality kit and CE approval, and for years I've had the know it alls claiming that stuff like Dainese and Alpinestars will be better because they cost a fortune and look flash. Flash rarely works and Dainese and Alpinestars have monumentally failed to achieve the required standards whenever they have submitted their kit for testing for CE approval, I doubt RST have even bothered because they probably know what the results would be and have saved themselves a packet by not applying for it.

Originally Posted by DMC

Most people (Bozzo excepted) would not make the mistake of buying motorcycle gloves to protect themselves from the rain, although gear used for weather protection could also be classed as PPE.

Are you truly as stupid as you make yourself sound?

Firstly - You have absolutely no idea of what I do for a living, do you? For your information (or is that too long a word for you to deal with) I sell motorcycle clothing, as well as bikes in my role as manager of a main dealership. Now strange as this may sound, I am probably more clued up about motorcycle kit than you could ever hope to be, having worked in this field for at least the last twelve years of my working life, first as a sales rep wholesaling helmets and clothing to dealerships and latterly as a retailer. Now when you've actually met me and talked to me about motorcycle kit you can then bugger off home and make a judgement on how much I know, until that time I'd prefer it if you kept your petty sniping and insults to yourself.

Secondly - I've posted a link above pointing out your lack of knowledge regarding CE approval and how it applies to motorcycle gloves. No need to thank me, I'm here to help the hard of thinking

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Have you thought that maybe he smashed the backs of his hands into both the brake and clutch levers as he did so. No amount of armour in any type of glove is going to stop bones from being broken in those circumstances.

Brake lever vs hand in carbon fibre glove... really? You seen the crapalloy they're cast from?


While I agree with you about the A* and dainese being sh*te, which I have direct experience of, as a result I'd give credence to you not trusting RST, the above argument is weak.