Chinese execution

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Ed

I feel no need to go round saving people, as you put it. If that makes me a bad Christian, well I can live with that

that's fine, most of us aren't perfect , but whether you actively campaign for something doesn't really affect whether it should be or not. I don't go around punishing bad drivers, yet I believe that bad drivers should be punished.

By Christian standards, not believing in God is a sin, and people should not sin, therefore there should be no sinners in the world. Everyone should be a Christian.

Sin might not be the right word there, as it carries connotations of deliberate choice rather than ignorance, but nevertheless, I mean something that ideally any person should not do.

My original post on the subject was actually in support of why you think you can tell other nations what to do. Basically that the fundamental beliefs of an individual override government policies, national and cultural differences, everything really. And that you're stating your opinion, which is what this thread is about.

why is religion being brought into this sod off this is china you go there with drugs you pay the price end of.

[ophic]

religion can be brought into anything

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Jayneflakes

By the way, I am not a hippy. I am a human rights campaigner and I take the freedom to simply be, very seriously. However, it is your right to think what you like, which in this country you are allowed to do.

Think on this though people.

As stupid as it was to smuggle in drugs, that take away what little freedom people have, the taking of life is wrong. I abhor Class A drugs, yet I cannot condone a murder by the state.

Yet you see it as more important to defend the causers of misery in foreign lands than the freedoms we once enjoyed here?
Seems a bit cowardly to me.

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

In all honesty, if it stopped 'x' amount of people getting out of their heads over here, hooked/addicted etc, then so be it.

Where does it say those drugs were heading here? Lets face it China can spare a few peasants OD'ing.

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

With regards to the "I disagree with the death penalty as I am a Christian and therefore think we should not kill each other" comment, yes, I totally understand. However, when was the last time you met a Chinese person who was a Christian??? We cannot simply criticise the laws of other countries due to our religious beliefs. Just because some of us are Christian, doesn't mean the whole world should be!!

Regarding the access to a psychologist/psychiatrist. At the end of the day, their system dictates that it is irrelevant if they have not been previously diagnosed so whilst it may have pacified the western mob, it would really have been nothing more than a paper exercise!!!

The disagreement with death penalty because you are a christian bit is down to that persons interpretation of what Christian dogma says. Other equally fervent fanatics would say the opposite.

Religion has no place in law IMO.

And no matter if he's got his c0ck in between two dry biscuits. He would still be guilty!

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

The disagreement with death penalty because you are a christian bit is down to that persons interpretation of what Christian dogma says. Other equally fervent fanatics would say the opposite.

True.

People were more fearful of religion in the middle ages and the christians of the time didn't see any issue with crusading around europe and asia, hacking down infidels, or punishing criminals or witches by hanging, drawing, quartering, burning etc.

[Bibio]

as has been said before, if you brake the laws in another country then expect that country to hand out 'their punishment' if that happens to be the death sentence then so be it.

the law in the country is far to soft and people expect others to be the same. i also think that a lot of people in this country have the attitude of 'were british nothing can happen to us'.

we are a p!ss pot small country who is divided into 4 parts that cant even decide what direction we want to go, but have the attitude that we are the 'superior' leading country. with laws that are laughable. we then complain when one of our flock gets sentenced to death for breaking the laws in another country. ppphhhhhfffftttt.....

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by TazDaz

True.

People were more fearful of religion in the middle ages and the christians of the time didn't see any issue with crusading around europe and asia, hacking down infidels, or punishing criminals or witches by hanging, drawing, quartering, burning etc.

As terrible as that was, at least it's led to some great doom metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Qdj7pt7Iw

[ophic]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Religion has no place in law IMO.

Religion is a bad word. However the "fundamental beliefs" of a society provide the basis on which their laws are made. Or in many cases, the fundamental beliefs of the most powerful person within that society.

I actually agree with you - but you have to be careful that without religion you don't lose the moral structure of society. Lob the morals away and you just end up with a machine. Obviously, go too far the other way and you end up with, er... well... Britain.

Originally Posted by TazDaz

People were more fearful of religion in the middle ages and the christians of the time didn't see any issue with crusading around europe and asia, hacking down infidels, or punishing criminals or witches by hanging, drawing, quartering, burning etc.

I agree they didnt have a problem with it then why do people have a problem with it now?

Does anyone really think if we had caught Hitler he should of been allowed to live if your so strongly against the death penalty.

And the point here remains he broke Chinese law, in China, he was killed, im not planning on smuggling drugs anywhere so this case doesnt bother me really.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by ophic

Religion is a bad word. However the "fundamental beliefs" of a society provide the basis on which their laws are made. Or in many cases, the fundamental beliefs of the most powerful person within that society.

I actually agree with you - but you have to be careful that without religion you don't lose the moral structure of society. Lob the morals away and you just end up with a machine. Obviously, go too far the other way and you end up with, er... well... Britain.

A very strange set of compromises. Lob the morals and start reading a little red book and you end up with China!