Leave the UK?

*Yawn*

[Lissa]

Originally Posted by northwind

Mmm, I don't think it's quite that simple though. There's a risk here, because if we get too used to immigrant labour and we keep making money off it, then why bother trying to get unemployed folks into work, and why bother training people up to fill the skill shortages when we can just order 100 polish doctors off ebay? We could easily end up patching the cracks and never actually fixing the problem,migrant labour could be too easy a fix, too tempting. And the thing is, it could just go away- we're already losing out to Ireland in that they're becoming a more desirable location. Some industries are bricking it in case the golden goose stops laying, and it probably will sooner or later.

This is one of my main concerns, and I see it happening where I work. There is no impetus for employers to be forced to improve pay and conditions, because their attitude now is, 'you don't like it, leave. There are a hundred immigrants waiting for your job.' If and when the bubble finally bursts, it could be disastrous.

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

(...) from the other side of the fence a rather rude (...) set of folk

Originally Posted by Balddood

*Yawn*

Sorry, it had to be done.

I've been to France a number of times and I don't see it. I really don't. I've been told how great it is but when I visit...

Northen Spain...brilliant bike roads and much cooler almost English weather...Score!

I actually prefer Scotland to England...greener and less crowded...But the winters are dismal. And I like the cold.

Originally Posted by Filipe M.

Sorry, it had to be done.

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Originally Posted by Razor

I'm so sick of the grey skies, traffic and general attitude of the inhabitants.
I need to get out of here, like today...

Damn, first need to sell SV and bike gear, sell house and a lifetimes collection of consumerist rubbish.

So it's more like tomorrow really.

Watch this space.

I was going to ask why exactly, but after all of the above, I kinda see what you mean....

I see the lifestyles of both White British folk and of the migrants which are entering this country. I dont really care about race, what I care about is whether the people care for this country and want to improve their lives and their families lives through honest graft. I dont like the idea of these East Europeans taking the money out of the economy -apparently theres a shortage of £50 notes as theyre all turning up in East Europe! There needs to be a tough stance on the welfare state in this country, too many people just happy to live off scraps and dont have any interest in working for a living.

Personally, I cant ever see myself leaving the UK. I dont live amongst the rat race of the South East, dont face ridiculous traffic jams every day, can get out in the country in a 5 minute drive and generally love the lush green land of the North. Ok the weather is bad at times and we pay too much tax but I dont see the attraction of why people go to Spain. No offence to those who live there but it just seems to be a 2nd class country. Nothing is finished and what is finished is finished to a poor standard.

wheres nieo?

The thing that gets on my goat about the influx of migrant workers is:

I'm in the building trade (kitchen fitter).
I was talking to a guy who works on building sites (new builds etc) he was telling me about this one site where there were 76 people working there.

Out of the 76 people working there '3' of them were from the UK (yes three), all the rest of them were Polish, 73 of them!
Now the thing is, that is 73 UK builders who have houses to pay for, 73 UK families that are/were now struggling to pay their mortgages, 73 people who could lose their homes!!!

And why is this, because they're undercutting everyone and sending the money back home to a different country.

Now, my job is fairly secure (at the moment) as well as Electricians.
But all the other trades, Carpenters, Plasterers, Brickies, Plumbers and ground-workers etc are all being undercut!
Our own UK builders cannot undercut as they have expensive mortgages to pay for, they can't just frig off back home when they're done.

Unless you're in the trade you really don't know how widespread this problem is, and it's massive.
Look around you at how much building work is goin on in re-generation etc, the migrant workers are everywhere, undercutting everyone, undercutting our 'own' workers.

That building site I mentioned at the begining with the 73 Poles, that's only 'one' site, there are thousands more across the country.

I can't blame people for leaving this country, best of luck to them I say.

Originally Posted by robchester

I dont see the attraction of why people go to Spain. No offence to those who live there but it just seems to be a 2nd class country. Nothing is finished and what is finished is finished to a poor standard.

Rob, I think that you will find that indeed in certain more popular coastal areas a lot of property devlopment continues to take place in Spain. The reason for that has been the demand largely created by people leaving the U.K. in record numbers to move here.

I can assure you that,(having worked in Real Estate here for 4 years) property aimed at the ex pat residential market is of a standard way higher than you might imagine. The cheaper property aimed predominantly at the local and budget buyer is naturally nowhere near the same standard.

Spain a 2nd class country? Hmm I am not sure on what particular aspects you base your assesment,(I would think that only passing through as a tourist does not really allow educated judgement?) Only living here would provide the kind of information and knowledge through experience to fully judge.

Spain for sure is not at all perfect, especially if you originate from a long established democracy like England. Things do work differently. At times the law infuriates and exasperates, but is that not the same anywhere?

Nor is Spain all charred and sun bleached. Here they have in parts a climate very similar to the U.K. but with perhaps more sunshine in the summer. Places like Asturias are as green as any English meadow,(the main milk producing area of Spain)Rivers, mountain ranges,natural parks it is all here.

But I can for sure see how many would criticise Spain as it is very different than England. It is this subtle yet important point that would be way too much for many. However those that embrace their new land and ask no special favours or priveleges and do not not try to cling on to everything that they should have left in England, can switch to work mode and not view their time here as some elongated holiday, can build a great life with great quality to it.