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01-05-18, 03:39 PM | #31 | |
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Id like to see better enforcement and a more detailed log kept on driving offences. Anyone caught causing high risk to others gets an endorsement and doing it again results in a ban. You dont get your ticket back until you can demonstrate you are both competant and attitudinally reformed.Some people wont pass that test and wont ever drive again. The message would soon get through that aggressive and provocative driving was no longer tolerated and the roads would be much safer for it. Long prison terms might make us feel collectively better but only proper enforcement will make any difference.
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01-05-18, 04:21 PM | #32 | |
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From experience I can tell you that knocking somebody off a motorcycle is incredibly easy to do, and I should know because I've done it numerous times. It's almost as easy to push them into falling off themselves if you've got the time and space to do it. I've also been on the other end of that shoe and had quite determined villains trying to knock me off. You will never win if you stay anywhere near them, it's only a question of time. Oh and stop trying to suggest I'm laying blame against the motorcyclist. Blame is for fools and those trying to make money. I'm only interested in cause and how incidents can be prevented. Suggesting someone cannot be involved in the cause of an incident or have contributed to it's prevention simply because they subsequently became the victim is just plain daft. You can stay on your bandwagon if you want but just ask yourself what it will achieve? |
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01-05-18, 07:30 PM | #33 |
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This is why I sometimes despair of bikers who fit the loudest pipes they can to their bike, I have seen 'for track use only' pipes on road bikes. The public has a low enough opinion of bikers as it is, making the bike louder than a Jumbo jet taking off only adds to our existing PR problem.
I don't know what you have to do using a vehicle in UK to get full 14 years, presumably what you are doing needs to be classed as 'terrorism' or 'racially aggravated' in which case breaking someones leg with a vehicle will get you 30 years.
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02-05-18, 08:22 AM | #34 |
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The sentences are a joke, a few years back a guy from Kent killed a 16 yo girl on a scooter in Bournemouth.
He got the car repaired and told a string of lies to everyone involved. He got less time for death by careless driving than he did for perverting the course of justice. Oh he was also disqualified and no insurance. Total sentence was 6 years Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk
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02-05-18, 10:00 AM | #35 |
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I am no more on a bandwagon, than you are Red Herring. I think we sort of agree, but are struggling with the downsides communicating via a forum.
Your suggestion of stopping the bike and ultimately getting off is a good one, not sure I would want to leave one of my precious babies in the hands of a p!ssed off lunatic! |
02-05-18, 11:44 AM | #36 |
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When I watched this, I thought there for the grace of your god go all of us. Most if not all experienced bikers will have at some time in their lives experienced a motorist who takes exception to something we do. I remember one Friday about 2pm sat in a car in a queue near Russell Square as I was fighting my way home from a meeting in Holborn. In front of me sat at a temporary red light was a transit van. As a courier passed me on the outside and tried to pass the van an arm came out with what looked like a piece of wood and gave him a great whack. Bike/rider ended up in a heap.
The rider gets up and attempts to remonstrate with the driver who I can hear saying I have had enough of you lot, it is time you waited in the queues like the rest of us! Of course the rider wasn't interested, and attempted to get the driver out of the locked door and eventually resorted to picking up a length of piping (guess that was why the temp lights) and attacked the van. Along come plod who are not interested in the rights/wrongs and drag the two to the side of the road for a talking to, and shift his van so we can continue on our way. But may times filtering, have I seen drivers who do see me approach and for every 10 that make room for me, 1 will try to stop me! So we know you do not need to do anything, if a driver is in a bad mood and the red mist descends there does not need to be provocation, it is then how to safely diffuse the situation. Assuming he is not directly behind, Bikes will generally stop more efficiently than cars. So grab a big handful and let him get on his way. Not a good idea to swing across his path to head for the hard shoulder though! These days I ride with a camera for my own protection should I have a coming together with a numpty. But ideally the numpties should already have been identified and re-educated. But when you read of drivers with 30+ convictions flouting bans/insurance etc. Sometimes they need to be locked up for the safety of other road users, not given another meaningless ban.
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A guy in London's just been given 23 years for ramming a scooter and killing the pillion. Incidentally, although not entirely, the scooter riders were being antisocial *****s. See point one. |
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04-05-18, 05:33 PM | #39 |
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TBF that driver did also beat the guy to death as he lay on the road having ploughed into him with a Mustang following a chase through traffic and on pavements.
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