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07-01-19, 03:23 PM | #41 | |
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Why do public sector companies seem to fail?
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The reason I worked for so many companies is that for 25 years I was a freelance IT professional.
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Never had the "pleasure", although Miss Ophic worked in teaching for a long time.
I suspected it was along these lines. It doesn't sound like something that's intrinsic to any public sector company though - just the way they have ended up. I mean, in theory, public and private sector follow the same rules, right? Employment law is the same for both.
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not all of them fail and if they do its due to not putting the correct "management" in charge of them. some of them are there to "serve the public" and are as such non profit for which the public pay for out the coffers.
think of it this way for every company that is nationalised and makes profit is less the public has to pay for and as such receives lower living costs and better public services as they are cheeper. if not cheeper then even more of the profits go back into the coffers for public services or pays to "support/top up" the less profitable ones. privatisation the coffers go into "fat cats" pockets or with whats happening at the moment "foreign investors or Gov's" pockets. privatisation was to be better and cheeper for the public... that was what Thatcher said but she also put 10p on a ltr of fuel and promised to remove road tax... yes i'm old and can remember. |
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I'm thinking difference of ethos.
For private companies, it's make profit or die. For public companies, it's run the service. Oh it's not making a profit? Doesn't matter we can survive that way because we're backed by public coffers, and hence we can limp along really inefficiently until the gov't takes some action.
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ermm before branson pickle was the east coast line not making profit as i seem to remember that someone else was running it then the Gov had to step in and then was one of the only rail lines actually making profit but the Gov in its wisdom sold it.... again
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07-01-19, 06:16 PM | #48 |
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Councils get fat over time. The council I worked for was hit by government cuts 5 years ago. Hard decisions on staffing had to be made and as a result, 50 middle managers in the Social Services dept. alone were made redundant with no apparent reduction in services to the public. Job losses were spread across most departments with little noticeable effect.
In another example, around 35 years ago, Northamptonshire County Council shed a third of its middle managers and for a time was one of the best run councils in the country (a friend was one of the managers that remained employed). In 2018, that same council was essentially bankrupt due to bloated management and reckless spending.
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This bears out my observations as well. Worked at one of our contracts where a lot of the people were ex civil servants who were on TUPE terms. As far as they were concerned they were still public employees as their rights to a guaranteed pay increase, their final salary pension, and all their other perks were "untouchable". You could tell which of the people around you were which as the rest of us were trying to make things work better and the former civil lot ignored us, refused to change anything, claiming it works fine as it is so why change. They insisted on just moving paper about between ten people when two and a new process could do it in half the time. The joke is there were so many thing they could pick up that were not being done at all so there was never any suggestion of redundancies - they simply did not care a jot. You never get that sort of complacency in the private sector, thankfully, as it would have driven me nuts years ago. In the past five years I have been contracting I have refused to work in the public sector for exactly this reason. I know this is not representative of all public workers but that lot put me right off! If we re-nationalise some of the industries sold off you can bet your backside most of them will slide straight back to their old ways again.
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I worked at National Power during the and after the privatisation process. The difference between the old CEGB staffers and new intake was chalk and cheese. Ever have someone get up in the middle of a meeting and say they are going home because it is 4 o'clock?
But I'm convinced it is due to management style and expectation setting, as those with a bit of nouse quickly adapted to the new hardware / software / regime and made a success of their careers. (Those that didn't were offered eye wateringly good redundancy packages until the die hard refusniks who thought they were untouchable were given compulsory redundancy on MUCH reduced terms.) New management gave the department focus and goals, which we achieved through hard work and the ones who went with the change enjoyed the new ethos tremendously. The old CEGB management were side-lined and moved on ASAP as part of privatisation. Nationalised companies can work and do work in many countries. You need dynamic managers to lead these organisations so they compete with the private sector. Being good at what you do and efficient while doing it will make a nationalised enterprise unattractive to private investors as there is little to no fat to trim off for profit. |
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