Bereaved family releases shocking video

[MisterTommyH]

Phoenix, If you re-read the thread you'll see that there is only one person consistently becoming embroiled in a tit for tat.

I've just been reminded why I don't use this forum anymore. This was quite a sensible conversation on what could be an emotive subject (a right of way violation killing a biker), and I was beginning to think the forum had grown up a bit.

Originally Posted by Phoenix22

No he wouldn't, the oncoming traffic was far enough away to be able to make a pass on the wrong side of the road. Not ideal but better than just riding straight into it. After passing the Aygo he continued on the throttle until pretty much at the point of impact which by this time was obviously too late. I don't want to speak ill of the dead but it was bad riding, pure & simple.

Given that he was already to the left hand side of his lane and still hit the car trying to go further left there was no way he would have been able to go even further right than that before reaching the same point. So had he mirrored exactly what he did by moving to the right and the oncoming car had braked covering both the start of his lane and part of the slip lane he would have hit it.

If he'd had the ability to move further over he could have done that to the left, passed the car and dealt with the new situation afterwards.

Originally Posted by Phoenix22

Ignore the fact that he should have slowed? Why? it was a major contribution. In fact not only did he not slow, he accelerated towards it. Utter madness.

Because he didn't slow.

If he'd hammered the brakes there would have been an entirely different situation but it has nothing to do with whether going right or left would have been better without foreknowledge of what the oncoming car would do.

[fizzwheel]

Knock it off with the personal insults please guys.

[Red Herring]

I find it intriguing that when a member of this forum is involved in a collision and dies then nobody is prepared to talk about it, yet if it is an unknown person then we are quite prepared to pick the incident apart, offer views and apportion blame.

Having spent the last 30 years sorting out others misfortune I can certainly say that understanding how others have made or been victim to a mistake definitely helps you avoid a similar fate, so sad as it is I can certainly understand why this riders family wanted others to see the video and think about the incident.

As I think I said on another thread this evening stop trying to sort out the blame folks, just discuss what you think about the video sensibly, respect each others views and concentrate on understanding why things happened to try and make sure it doesn't happen to you.

Originally Posted by Red Herring

I find it intriguing that when a member of this forum is involved in a collision and dies then nobody is prepared to talk about it, yet if it is an unknown person then we are quite prepared to pick the incident apart, offer views and apportion blame.

If it was someone I knew personally like fallout or thunder ace I'd happily go on record if I thought they were riding like a **** and I'd expect them to do the same if it were me.

If it was one of the other forum members, well even I have a little more sensitivity than that, when it's personal you try not to offend too much but equally when it's someone nobody appears to know I don't think it's the wrong thing to discuss it frankly. It doesn't help anyone to pretend he did everything right and I can't believe that's what the family were looking for when they released the video.

[kaivalagi]

Well said

For me when Reeder hasd his fatal accident some of us went to the corner where it happened some time after and went over what might have happened...the result was to acknowledge the real need to control speed into a corner based on what you can see.

This video points out the need to reduce risk around junctions by lowering speed and allowing for reaction time and an exit if another vehicle fails to see you and moves into your path.

Both valuable lessons and probably the most important areas of consideration when riding, atleast to me.

Like you say, there's no need to analysis and apportion blame for any of this, just take it in and make sense of it to help make for a safer ride.

[Red Herring]

I don't think I said I thought it wrong that we are discussing the incident, on the contrary I am trying to actively encourage that discussion on a constructive basis.

I don't think it's any less disrespectful or insensitive just because we don't know the individual personally. He is still a rider, he had a family, and he could just as easily have been any number of people on here.

[Red ones]

I don't give a jam tart who is right and who's wrong in the video. Or who should take any blame. It doesn't matter if you are right and think you can argue the toss. At the end of the day you can be right, but hitting a car flipping hurts.

The whole point of the clip being released is being missed. The point of releasing it was to highlight the result not the blame. I feel sorry for the car driver who survived and is now having their accident analysed and commented on endlessly and replayed over and over. I'd guess they already find it hard to forget what happened in an instant.

Originally Posted by Red Herring

I don't think it's any less disrespectful or insensitive just because we don't know the individual personally. He is still a rider, he had a family, and he could just as easily have been any number of people on here.

That's the point where I disagree. I think it makes a big difference. The difference is it's not directly offending anyone to talk about it when nobody knows the person, however being that blunt directly to his family would be cruel and unnecessary.