Leave the UK?

I've just been to M&S and bought some Florida Orange Juice. That's about the nearest I'll get to the sun I think

Improvement Suggestions.

1.No-one will be eligible for unemployment benefit, housing benefit or such like without a proven minimum employment record of at least 18 months in any 2 year period.

2. No-one under the age of 18 will qualify for any of the above benefits.

All class rooms will have surveilance cameras so that any bullying can be spotted early and any other disruptive behaviour within the learning environment. Parents will be shown any incriminating footage and will be offered the opportunity to speak to their child. Three reported instances and the child will be expelled with only fee paying alternatives offered to the parents.

3. On leaving school those not entering in to full time education and have no employment organised will carry out 3 years National Service.

4.Any juvenile committing any crime will be displayed in a town centre location wearing a placard which outlines their offences.

5.The parent of any youth being found guilty of committing any crime will be sentenced to imprisonment. This is with a view to see parents take more control of their children and be more interested in their whereabouts and activities.

6.A Community Pride scheme will be introduced where youths will be involved in projects that benefit their community and give them a sense of pride in their surroundings and so perhaps steer away from wanton vandalism. They will gain credits which will be promoted to future employers.

7. Anyone ever found guilty of any kind of benefit fraud will be imprisoned, their right to any future benefit instantly removed and an attachment to any future earnings will be put in place so that the full amount defrauded is repaid. All assets will be confiscated until the full debt is repaid.

Immigration.

1. No one will be accepted as an immigrant unless the following apply:
They have a verifiable clean criminal record.

They possess a basic working knowledge of the English language. This includes being able to complete any official paperwork themselves.

They accept that to live in the U.K. a good level of integration and accepting of the customs and practices of the country will be embraced.

They have employment arranged and this again must be verifiable.

No immigrant moving to the U.K. will be liable to any benefits apart from emergency medical care for the first 24 months.

The committing of any crime or being involved in any criminal activity will see the rights of residency in the U.K. instantly removed and that of their immediate family.

All immigrants must persue legal employment which can be confirmed and pay contributions from earnings. Any employer using cash in hand for cheaper workers who do not contribute to the system, will be fined heavily.

Crime in general.
Full tariff sentences will be served at all times with no remission or parole.

Repeat offending will attract double tariff sentences.

No special category status will ever be allowed.

Sexual abuse, child abuse, murder, domestic abuse murder, attacks on the elderly or complete innocent strangers, among others will at all times attract a full term life sentence. This type of offender will be held in the barest of cells with no comforts apart from basic necessities. They will be held in solitary confinement with integration with the rest of the prison population for meals and exercise.

All criminals will have their photograph and details of their offences displayed prominently in the town where the offences took place and their home town if that is different. This exercise will take place once convicted and for a period immediately following their release if this is applicable. Should their family move home during the offenders incarceration, then the details will be displayed within the new location.

Would you vote for me?

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Improvement Suggestions.

1.No-one will be eligible for unemployment benefit, housing benefit or such like without a proven minimum employment record of at least 18 months in any 2 year period.

2. No-one under the age of 18 will qualify for any of the above benefits.

All class rooms will have surveilance cameras so that any bullying can be spotted early and any other disruptive behaviour within the learning environment. Parents will be shown any incriminating footage and will be offered the opportunity to speak to their child. Three reported instances and the child will be expelled with only fee paying alternatives offered to the parents.

3. On leaving school those not entering in to full time education and have no employment organised will carry out 3 years National Service.

4.Any juvenile committing any crime will be displayed in a town centre location wearing a placard which outlines their offences.

5.The parent of any youth being found guilty of committing any crime will be sentenced to imprisonment. This is with a view to see parents take more control of their children and be more interested in their whereabouts and activities.

6.A Community Pride scheme will be introduced where youths will be involved in projects that benefit their community and give them a sense of pride in their surroundings and so perhaps steer away from wanton vandalism. They will gain credits which will be promoted to future employers.

7. Anyone ever found guilty of any kind of benefit fraud will be imprisoned, their right to any future benefit instantly removed and an attachment to any future earnings will be put in place so that the full amount defrauded is repaid. All assets will be confiscated until the full debt is repaid.

Immigration.

1. No one will be accepted as an immigrant unless the following apply:
They have a verifiable clean criminal record.

They possess a basic working knowledge of the English language. This includes being able to complete any official paperwork themselves.

They accept that to live in the U.K. a good level of integration and accepting of the customs and practices of the country will be embraced.

They have employment arranged and this again must be verifiable.

No immigrant moving to the U.K. will be liable to any benefits apart from emergency medical care for the first 24 months.

The committing of any crime or being involved in any criminal activity will see the rights of residency in the U.K. instantly removed and that of their immediate family.

All immigrants must persue legal employment which can be confirmed and pay contributions from earnings. Any employer using cash in hand for cheaper workers who do not contribute to the system, will be fined heavily.

Crime in general.
Full tariff sentences will be served at all times with no remission or parole.

Repeat offending will attract double tariff sentences.

No special category status will ever be allowed.

Sexual abuse, child abuse, murder, domestic abuse murder, attacks on the elderly or complete innocent strangers, among others will at all times attract a full term life sentence. This type of offender will be held in the barest of cells with no comforts apart from basic necessities. They will be held in solitary confinement with integration with the rest of the prison population for meals and exercise.

All criminals will have their photograph and details of their offences displayed prominently in the town where the offences took place and their home town if that is different. This exercise will take place once convicted and for a period immediately following their release if this is applicable. Should their family move home during the offenders incarceration, then the details will be displayed within the new location.

Would you vote for me?

Vote for you? If you could make that happen i'd marry you

Sean

Bigot, racist... etc...

just watching dispatches on ch4, it really makes you cringe, forget the Poles who work...

41 million NHS extra bill for people who brought AIDs from abroad, and 21 million for TB or Malaria (escapes me which one)

they all have come as asylum seekers from war torn African countries.

I have a pupil (i'm a driving instructor), Somalian woman of 29. she does not work because she has 7 children, husband only works 3 days a week, they live in a 4bed house in Blackheath (very expensive!) have 2 cars, and she drives illegally as well. She can afford to pay me £21 per hour.

Is there a solution? Can we really blame these people for milking the system.
It's in their culture to breed. maybe a baby mortality rate or lack of knowledge or contraception, cheap labour or all of those things...

Fact is some of us would never consider having 7 children, and dedicating our lives to them. i know i only could just about afford one, as i wanted to give him good life and things that he would look forward to and aspire to achieve.

What really peeps me off in UK is lack of respect in general and too much PC. too much pc = lack of respect...

Police seem to be just puppets when it comes to teenagers, and bad behavior is not punished but rewarded.

It would be good if common sense become a little bit more common

If you did not put into the pot you should not be able to take out regardless of where you were born.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Improvement Suggestions.


Would you vote for me?

when are you coming down PLEASE HURRY!!!!! my vote is in! oh crap i can't vote as i did not bother getting a British passport after 21 years of being here, but if you come back I'll do it just to be able to vote for you

[Biker Biggles]

Pedro you old liberal.

Regarding the undercutting of builders by eastern eurpoean labour. I've been on site's where plumbers, brickies etc are earning more than architects who have studied for 7 yrs.....clearly in the past there has been a skills shortage in the construction industry and now the immigrant labour is addressing that.

I do wish the middle classes wouldnt post about things they dont live thru ( & north is as bad just used your quote as it was same as hes said but not in 5,000 words :P ) as a working class bloke ( poorly educated ) but not work shy as the gentry like to call us, all these poles etc coming in may be great so you can build your extensions & pools cheaply, but it all adds to an employment envioment that keeps low skilled pay down, prolly not the biggest worry for you guys but sure as hell is for me & my bank manager....

Jas...

Well, I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in.....

I drop in here every so often cos I used to own an SV, and I like to keep in touch with what the biker on the street in the UK is thinking.

I'm qualified to at least express an opinion, I suppose - left the UK five years ago for NZ. So if you want to know about that, heres a few thoughts.

The good

The weather is generally better in the northern part. We get a lot of rain in the winter, and maybe frost 3-4 times. Snow down south in the winter, but not in Auckland.

Our 'quality of life' (whatever that means) is better. I live more or less centrally in Auckland. I have a beach a 10 minute stroll from my front door. I own a 4-bedroom house with a front and a back garden. I catch a ferry to work - it's always on time (typhoons excluded....), so it always takes me exactly 1/2 hr door to door (no leaves on the line with ferries).

I stumbled blindly into a change of career which I love and which offers a realistic prospect of good and well-paid advancement.

This is an excellent place to bring up children. State school education is ok, depending on where you live. But there are fewer really rotten areas than the UK. Generally, your kids can run riot in the local parks/beaches, etc without anything more than the normal worries.

There's the usual whingers, but most Kiwis are friendly, polite, and an absolute pleasure to work with (unlike most of my UK ex-colleagues, who generally acted like actually doing some work was more than their job was worth, and death would be a merciful release). Most kiwis work hard and have more initiative and 'get up and go' than the average pom, in my experience.

bikes - the roads here are pretty bike friendly, and you can get to them quickly, even from the centre of auckland when you fancy a scratch. If tracks are your thing, it's easier and cheaper to get on them. Not so much in the way of track choice, though.

The bad

You're miles from anywhere else in the world. This country is really, really isolated. You can't get a Ryanair 1 quid special if you want to nip over to Europe for a dirty weekend. Australia is 4 hours away, and that's 12 hours from anywhere else 'western', for want of a better word.

You'll see your family and friends once every two years, if you're lucky. Think about that very carefully if you're planning on moving away.

You can probably reasonably easily get a fairly well-paying job, unless you're a complete no-mark. Well-paying by local standards. Go abroad (i.e. not NZ) with NZ dollars and you'll think they've evaporated. This means you won't go back to visit the UK very much. Or anywhere else.

If you bring UK pounds over, you'll be able to get decent property. Otherwise forget it in Auckland - your mortgage will be london-style big in terms of the percentage of your NA wage which goes into servicing it.

Property outside auckland is fairly affordable.

Anywhere outside Auckland is very isolated, and attitudes tend towards the provincial, to put it mildly. News is only news if a Kiwi is on it (1,000,000,000 die in earthquake - what does it mean for our dairy farmers? We interview the family of the one kiwi who was there and got a nasty scratch, etc)

The only city of any size (in UK terms) is Auckland, and its also the only one with anything that even approaches a cosmopolitan, world-class status. People from Wellington will try to tell you otherwise, but they're wrong. Sorry about that, Wellingtonians, but it's true.

Anywhere except for Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch would barely qualify as a small town in the UK.

Public transport in auckland (except the ferries, which are excellent) is rubbish. You'll end up driving/riding everywhere. A personal vehicle is a necessity. Traffic in the rush-hour periods is bad, but not (quite) london bad. Wellington similar. Anywhere else doesn't have any population, so no traffic.

Bikes - costs are about the same as the UK (but your wages are lower, so the prices are proportionally higher). It's much harder to get trick or rare bits - the population is too small to support a market. Importing (e.g. buying on ebay and shipping over) will double the price.

Other road users tend towards the homicidal - even more so than the UK.

For bikes, the concerns are almost exactly the same - ******** cops, stupidly enforced speed limits, ******** cagers, etc etc etc. Except there is more of a cat/mouse game element to the bike/cop thing - the cops can be ********s, but they can also be reasonable. Radar detectors aren't illegal, and you can get away with more mods without your bike becoming street illegal.

Jobs

There is a small population here. If your job is specialised, you will struggle to find work. I'm an engineer by background, and worked in a variety of heavy-industry type jobs in the UK. Most engineering here is light fabrication-style work. I struggled at first.

Do your research very thoroughly. Most jobs here are word of mouth and casual networking, just because the population is small enough to allow that to work.

The general

Apart from that, do not repeat not think that you'll be moving to some sort of nirvana where the usual problems don't apply and you've shucked off your cares like some sort of dead skin. You'll feel like that for 3 months, and then reality will bite.

People are people wherever you are, and I'm always struck by the fact that UK concerns are almost exactly the same as here: crime....blahblahblah....immigration....blahblahbl ah.....education....toomanybludgersonwelfare....bl ahblahblah.....hospitals....blahblahblah....yoofgo newildwouldhavebeendifferentinmydayspellin thearmywouldsortthemoutitsPCgonemadItellyou.....Im movingtoAustraliatheyvegotitsomuchbetteroverthere. ....and so on.

Conclusion: Its better for me here than it would be in the UK. I ain't inclined to move back. But...I miss my family and friends a lot, and I've been very lucky in stumbling into a job/career I never knew existed, but which suits me like it was tailor-made. I've also been lucky with elderly relatives dying and leaving me bits and bobs of UK money, which helped a lot (not a lot in UK terms, but quite a windfall in Kiwi terms).

Do your research and think very carefully before you uproot yourself.

Reckon that's about enough for now. Doubt I'll be lurking again for a while, so i won't really be around to answer questions or discuss this. So feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

Final thing: If 'vote BNP' is your answer, you really, really need to think pretty carefully about what your question is. Over-simplified solutions usually only suit over-simplified problems.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Improvement Suggestions.

1.No-one will be eligible for unemployment benefit, housing benefit or such like without a proven minimum employment record of at least 18 months in any 2 year period.

2. No-one under the age of 18 will qualify for any of the above benefits.

All class rooms will have surveilance cameras so that any bullying can be spotted early and any other disruptive behaviour within the learning environment. Parents will be shown any incriminating footage and will be offered the opportunity to speak to their child. Three reported instances and the child will be expelled with only fee paying alternatives offered to the parents.

3. On leaving school those not entering in to full time education and have no employment organised will carry out 3 years National Service.

4.Any juvenile committing any crime will be displayed in a town centre location wearing a placard which outlines their offences.

5.The parent of any youth being found guilty of committing any crime will be sentenced to imprisonment. This is with a view to see parents take more control of their children and be more interested in their whereabouts and activities.

6.A Community Pride scheme will be introduced where youths will be involved in projects that benefit their community and give them a sense of pride in their surroundings and so perhaps steer away from wanton vandalism. They will gain credits which will be promoted to future employers.

7. Anyone ever found guilty of any kind of benefit fraud will be imprisoned, their right to any future benefit instantly removed and an attachment to any future earnings will be put in place so that the full amount defrauded is repaid. All assets will be confiscated until the full debt is repaid.

Immigration.

1. No one will be accepted as an immigrant unless the following apply:
They have a verifiable clean criminal record.

They possess a basic working knowledge of the English language. This includes being able to complete any official paperwork themselves.

They accept that to live in the U.K. a good level of integration and accepting of the customs and practices of the country will be embraced.

They have employment arranged and this again must be verifiable.

No immigrant moving to the U.K. will be liable to any benefits apart from emergency medical care for the first 24 months.

The committing of any crime or being involved in any criminal activity will see the rights of residency in the U.K. instantly removed and that of their immediate family.

All immigrants must persue legal employment which can be confirmed and pay contributions from earnings. Any employer using cash in hand for cheaper workers who do not contribute to the system, will be fined heavily.

Crime in general.
Full tariff sentences will be served at all times with no remission or parole.

Repeat offending will attract double tariff sentences.

No special category status will ever be allowed.

Sexual abuse, child abuse, murder, domestic abuse murder, attacks on the elderly or complete innocent strangers, among others will at all times attract a full term life sentence. This type of offender will be held in the barest of cells with no comforts apart from basic necessities. They will be held in solitary confinement with integration with the rest of the prison population for meals and exercise.

All criminals will have their photograph and details of their offences displayed prominently in the town where the offences took place and their home town if that is different. This exercise will take place once convicted and for a period immediately following their release if this is applicable. Should their family move home during the offenders incarceration, then the details will be displayed within the new location.

Would you vote for me?

If you add abolishing speed cameras, then you get my vote too

Originally Posted by Balddood

I yawned because you bore the sh!t out of me. You always jump in and have your opinion and it seems you think it's the only one that counts, it isn't. Your facts and figures, which you profess are always correct, don't mean squat to the average Brit. Even when people who are suffering as a direct result of the immigrant influx, i.e builders, myself etc, give people an insight as to what they see day in day out, you come back with your facts and statistics. Well, to be fair, you can cram them. There are people on here who couldn't care less about them. We see what is happening to our country and we don't like it one bit.

This is, to my knowledge, an open forum where anyone can post their opinion on almost any subject. Please don't think you have the monopoly to come here and try to belittle any other person's opinion. You may well know more people on here than i, again, i don't give a toss. I love my country, my fellow Brits and everything that our previous generations fought for in order for us to be able to live the lifestyles which we should be entitled to. This is the last i will post on the matter and you will not bait me again with you incessant piffle. You have your opinion, I have mine, and no matter how many of your "facts" you post here will change them.

Sean

Ok, so I don't annoy Sean with facts and figures, here's my feelings on the matter which will obviously please him more...

The reason that the BNP has this irritating racist appearance is because it is an institutionally racist organisation. It may well be that the leaders of it wish to dispell this myth, but many of it's members do not. I am speaking from personal experience here as some members of my extended family are in the BNP and are a bunch of racist f*ckwits. This is not an image problem that can simply be swept under the carpet. An organisation that contains a majority of racist members will inherently be a racist organisation.

As for your assertions (In the face of contrary evidence) that immigration is a drain on this country because people don't spend all their money here: Balls. The same applies for anyone who puts money into a bank account and doesn't spend it all every month.

The solutions offered for unemployment: why don't we just go the whole hog and introduce forced labor camps? That'd get them off the streets, then maybe, since WE don't want the immigrants, and their countries don't either, it'd probably just be humane to put them out of their misery, that'd be a solution. The final solution. Of course, with all this forced labour, we could sort a lot of the problems out with the country. The trains would run on time for starters...

Now, were did I put my stupid little moustache and swept over hair...

Insisting that your feelings are more important than trivial facts that contradict them makes no sense at all.

The statement that should obviously apply to all posts, but sometimes needs to be stated so people don't accuse you of being the PC police for having a different opinion to them: All of what is written here is purely MY OPINION. You are entitled to yours, I am entitled to mine. If you post something on a public board that others may disagree with, expect people to disagree and don't take it personally.