Your first car

[Wideboy]

change the plates to travel too and from a robbery without hindrance? to steal fuel? ect... plus that 1 min or less of your life squiggling over the plate could save you a considerable amount of time dealing with what could happen???

the only downside to doing it is the time it takes to actually do it, i fail to see your argument for it being "paranoia"

and not only that how would you prove your bike/car wasn't in Plymouth?! unless someone else has it or its in bits ect...... if my bike was in my garage all week un-used how can i prove it wasn't in Scotland doing all kinds of crazy shiz?

[MisterTommyH]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

To properly clone a vehicle for a ringing type situation you need the VIN, you can't get that just from a photo you scoured the net for unless you have access to the DVLA database, which very few people have. If they do have access to DVLA they won't even need a registration mark, they can search for SV650 in the database and see what comes up. The only other way to get the VIN is to write it down when you see the vehicle parked up somewhere, in which case you can obscure the plate all you like in photos, it's still on full view every time you park up with the VIN on show too.

To simply stick a false plate on a vehicle all you need is a photo, but if you can prove your vehicle was in Bradford when the offence occurred in Plymouth then what's to worry about. They could have got that number by taking a photo of the vehicle themselves.

Like I said, it's paranoia in the same way that people get all upset and start reposting crap about facebook being about to start charging for its useage. That sort of thing appeals to the mouth breathers who can't think for themselves.

I once had a bloke refuse to give me his bank details in an email when he was buying a bike off me because he was paranoid that this stranger would have access to his bank account, so he sent me a cheque through the post and then had to wait 7 days to collect the bike while the cheque cleared. When he came to collect the bike and was about to leave I gave him a piece of paper with his name and bank details all neatly written down on it. He went mad asking where the hell I'd got them from, so I told him to get his cheque book out and read all the numbers on the next cheque. His cheque gave me more information about his bank account than I'd asked for in the email. Paranoia is a sad thing.

Not sure paranoia is the right word for it.

In the same vein as above, I know that if I 'accidentally' posted the long number off my debit card someone might be able to use that number to make a purchase on my account........and alright, I could prove to the bank that I hadn't made that purchase. But I don't want the hassle of having to deal with my bank and the police, so I try to minimise the chance of that happening by not posting my card number.

It's the same as the reg number thing. Not strictly necessary, but not paranoid either. What harm does it do?

(and yes I know the security code thingy is meant to help, but I see that as the same as the VIN number)

I agree.

There is little chance that the dear old lady stood behind me at the ATM is going too remember my number and mug me for my card, but I still keep it hidded, as do I my numberplate in photos on the internet

Originally Posted by Wideboy

Dunno what you're so smug about



I found this pic in 2 minutes of searching on this very forum.

First reg 8/9/2000, don't forget to tax it end of next February, will you?

Originally Posted by Wideboy

change the plates to travel too and from a robbery without hindrance? to steal fuel? ect... plus that 1 min or less of your life squiggling over the plate could save you a considerable amount of time dealing with what could happen???

the only downside to doing it is the time it takes to actually do it, i fail to see your argument for it being "paranoia"

and not only that how would you prove your bike/car wasn't in Plymouth?! unless someone else has it or its in bits ect...... if my bike was in my garage all week un-used how can i prove it wasn't in Scotland doing all kinds of crazy shiz?

All needless paranoia, as my post above demonstrates.

[BanannaMan]

Originally Posted by Wideboy

if my bike was in my garage all week un-used how can i prove it wasn't in Scotland doing all kinds of crazy shiz?

The reason this does not happen is, it's simply not worth the criminals effort to work out some extravegant scheme to frame a random stranger for a petty crime like stealing a small amount of fuel or a day terrorising the local roads.

Might make sense for a murder or robbery, but even then it would be smarter to get the # off a bike local rather than just some random pic off the net. Unless of course, they were just out to get you personally.
Which they could probably accomplish without cloning your plate.

Originally Posted by Tommy H

Not sure paranoia is the right word for it.

In the same vein as above, I know that if I 'accidentally' posted the long number off my debit card someone might be able to use that number to make a purchase on my account........and alright, I could prove to the bank that I hadn't made that purchase. But I don't want the hassle of having to deal with my bank and the police, so I try to minimise the chance of that happening by not posting my card number.

It's the same as the reg number thing.

No it's not the same thing , or even close to the same thing.
Do you ride around with your debit card number in bold letters across the back of your car?
Can you make purchases with your bike's plate number?
Have you ever heard of anyone having their debit or credit card number stolen?
Have you ever heard of anyone having their plate cloned and/or being charged for a crime because of it?



I agree with Lozzo. It's paranoia, even if it is fashionable on the net.

[MisterTommyH]

Originally Posted by BanannaMan

The reason this does not happen is, it's simply not worth the criminals effort to work out some extravegant scheme to frame a random stranger for a petty crime like stealing a small amount of fuel or a day terrorising the local roads. Bilking on false plates happens quite a lot round here.



No it's not the same thing , or even close to the same thing.
Do you ride around with your debit card number in bold letters across the back of your car?
Can you make purchases with your bike's plate number? No, but I can have a lot of hassle when someone drives from a petrol station with my plate on
Have you ever heard of anyone having their debit or credit card number stolen? Yes, family
Have you ever heard of anyone having their plate cloned and/or being charged for a crime because of it? Yes, my boss got a speed ticket 200 miles from where he was. Proved it wasn't him, but it was a world of unwelcome hassle



I agree with Lozzo. It's paranoia, even if it is fashionable on the net.

I don't bother, but I can see why people would and I wouldn't label them paranoid. I don't live anywhere near anything that could be called a crime hot-spot, but it happens.

Originally Posted by Tommy H

Bilking on false plates happens quite a lot round here.

No it doesn't. It's a very very infrequent offence all over the country. Paranoia again.

During the day I work in a bike shop so I meet all sorts of folk who ride bikes every day, when I get out of work just about all my friends ride bikes and they are from all over the country. I was travelling this area for years as a sales rep in the bike trade and only a couple of times did I hear of a bike having false plates. Whoever told you it's a common thing was lying or you're just making that one up.

I'll ask the coppers who post here what their view is, I'm sure they'd agree with me on this one.

You're unnecessarily paranoid about something that happens so infrequently it's not worth trying to avoid. Your plate is on full view for every criminal in the country to see every time you take the bike out of the garage

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Dunno what you're so smug about



I found this pic in 2 minutes of searching on this very forum.

First reg 8/9/2000, don't forget to tax it end of next February, will you?

Yeh but it wasnt him that posted that photo was it?

Well done you for being ever so clever

[timwilky]

Cloning, ringing and down right unlucky.

I agree with Lozzo that nobody is going to go to the effort of trawling the net looking for a plate to clone. however, remember Clarkson saying banks don't let people steal money and here is my account number. Whoops.

Bloke I worked with, got a nip for speeding whilst protesting it, he got another. then a knock on the door to arrest him for dangerous driving. Whilst arguing it was not and never was him and out on bail, they turned up to arrest him again for dangerous driving and leaving the scene of an accident. What accident, where is the damage to my car.

They then turn up to tell his wife he is on his way to hospital, this time gloating that he couldn't drive it away this time, no because he is bed beside her, his car in the garage. Finally they accept it never was him.

What had actually happened was his car had suffered a major engine failure and he had sold it to a scrap dealer transferring his private plate to an identical replacement car. Unbeknown to him the dealer had 6 months later dropped a replacement engine in it and sold it on still with the original private plate fitted and nobody had been bothered to apply for the original plates for the scrapper or try to tax it etc.