Helmets at Petrol stations

[mister c]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

It was the thread resurrection Messie.

Load of old tosh this.

I'd be prepared to bet you could look at threads about burkas, then cross reference against another thread about removing helmets at a petrol station, and find that the same culprits don't see why they should remove a helmet, then give a hundred reasons why burkas should be banned

Those who refuse to remove them have clearly never worked in a petrol station, bank, post office, off license, bookies, etc, and had someone with a covered face point a weapon at them and ask them to open the till. If they did they'd realise that walking into any kind of shop with a helmet on has the potential to set the heart beating faster on a very uneasy feeling cashier. Friend of mine has has had a gun stuck in her face in that situation, like to see this argument had with her, and see if you walked away without a kick in the balls.

A genuine reason to cover your face and the fastest getaway vehicle on the road (or the footpath)!? A motorbike is a criminals dream transport.

I work in a shop & I have no problem with somebody coming in wearing a crash helmet etc.
The whole point of the thread is that I wasn't served, but somebody wearing a hat & shades was. in my eyes this is discrimination.

Originally Posted by mister c

I work in a shop & I have no problem with somebody coming in wearing a crash helmet etc

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Those who refuse to remove them have clearly never worked in a petrol station, bank, post office, off license, bookies, etc, and had someone with a covered face point a weapon at them and ask them to open the till

Just because you don't have a problem with it, that doesn't mean you are not scaring other people. My point was that if you had experienced a weapon in your face, you might think differently about it as well.

I had no fear of water at all, until my stepfather nearly drowned when we were snorkelling a reef 300 metres off shore and I had to pull him back to the beach. That was a f**k of a long way (6 lengths of an olympic pool, against a strong current, pulling a dead weight), even with fins on my feet (without which I wouldn't have managed it). When I finally pulled him onto the beach onlookers genuinely thought he was dead, and the last 150 meters he was so gray in colour I didn't know if I was pulling a corpse or not. I don't swim more than 50-100 metres from the beach nowadays before my head says "OK, that's far enough thank you". Bad experiences change the way you view things, and similar experiences trigger nasty memories.

The discrimination is not fair, but how many things in life are fair?

Taking all the points raised into consideration I feel that it is more a question of equality. I would have no problem in removing my helmet providing the ruling was for everybody to remove head or face attire otherwise it is being discriminatory and it is the discrimination I object to not the removing of my helmet.

[MisterTommyH]

Originally Posted by metalmonkey

Whats the big deal its never been an issue for me, I have been to a few places in the UK and live in the city I have never been asked to remove my lid.

It's just a pain in the a*se - Doubly so if you happen to wear glasses and then even worse on a wet day.

Stop, gloves off, glasses off, find somewhere on the bike they won't fall off while you remove helmet, helmet off, find somewhere that's not soaked to put the helmet, try and find glasses to put back on - fill bike, pay - find somehere on the bike again to put glasses (hoping you won't get too much water on the lens), helmet on, glasses on (**** they're covered in rain spots), find glasses cloth or something dry to wipe them with, gloves on, visor down (****, everythings gone cold and is now steaming up becuase pinlocks don't prevent misty glasses) - then you either have to sit at the pump and wait for vision, push the bike out of the way (which generally results in more fog), or drive with the visor cracked which which get rain all over your glasses again.

All that for what should be a really simply task. No thanks, I'll go to the one down the road that has some common sense.

[flymo]

my biggest objection is not the inconvenience of having to remove the helmet, which is pain in the ass, its more the obvious lack of trust in you as a customer. You wear a helmet therefore you will steal fuel from us.

That isnt the way to treat your customers. I wonder just how many people actually do ride away without paying as a ratio to those that dont, my guess is not many.

[Viney]

I sometimes buy petrol without removing my lid. And thats when im in the car SHOCK! More at 10

[mister c]

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

Taking all the points raised into consideration I feel that it is more a question of equality. I would have no problem in removing my helmet providing the ruling was for everybody to remove head or face attire otherwise it is being discriminatory and it is the discrimination I object to not the removing of my helmet.

Originally Posted by Tommy H

It's just a pain in the a*se - Doubly so if you happen to wear glasses and then even worse on a wet day.

Stop, gloves off, glasses off, find somewhere on the bike they won't fall off while you remove helmet, helmet off, find somewhere that's not soaked to put the helmet, try and find glasses to put back on - fill bike, pay - find somehere on the bike again to put glasses (hoping you won't get too much water on the lens), helmet on, glasses on (**** they're covered in rain spots), find glasses cloth or something dry to wipe them with, gloves on, visor down (****, everythings gone cold and is now steaming up becuase pinlocks don't prevent misty glasses) - then you either have to sit at the pump and wait for vision, push the bike out of the way (which generally results in more fog), or drive with the visor cracked which which get rain all over your glasses again.

All that for what should be a really simply task. No thanks, I'll go to the one down the road that has some common sense.

I totally agree with both (I wear glasses as well) I was going to go off on a big rant, but will just say
A friend of mine put it a good way years ago when we were asked to move from the lounge to the public bar because of our motorcycle gear. "We are put in the same bracket as blacks, asians etc, just because of the mode of transport that we choose to drive".
I am very passionate about motorcycling (it's about the only thing that I am), I have done it since I was 17 years old. I ride every day. I dont have a car anymore because it was never used.
So why can an individual wear a "disguise" but another cant wear a legal requirement? Yes, it covers your face & no, I wouldn't gripe like a baby if the guy in the next aisle was asked to remove his shades & hat.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Just because you don't have a problem with it, that doesn't mean you are not scaring other people. My point was that if you had experienced a weapon in your face, you might think differently about it as well.

I think this is a bit of an over reaction Ralph, you cannot treat everybody that rides a bike as a potential armed robber. With that logic we would all be walking around with an ID barcode permanently tattooed on our foreheads.

Imagine if at the start of the M6 toll road or a toll tunnel you had to stop, remove your lid to smile at the camera to make sure that we had a picture of your face before proceeding. Its simply not necessary, thats the thing here, a silly rule that causes inconvenience for no real benefit.

[mister c]

Originally Posted by flymo

I think this is a bit of an over reaction Ralph, you cannot treat everybody that rides a bike as a potential armed robber. With that logic we would all be walking around with an ID barcode permanently tattooed on our foreheads.

Imagine if at the start of the M6 toll road or a toll tunnel you had to stop, remove your lid to smile at the camera to make sure that we had a picture of your face before proceeding. Its simply not necessary, thats the thing here, a silly rule that causes inconvenience for no real benefit.

[Messie]

What about all the beach side shops and cafes that state shirts must be worn?
What about nightclubs that don't let you in wearing trainers?
Why can't I wear jeans to work?


It's not fair, it's not fair! I want to be treated the same as everybody else! Don't discriminate against me. Treat me like everyone else!

Ok, so all the rules about speed limits, black visors, noise emissions from exhausts, double white lines, etc etc, apply equally to you too!

It's annoying yes, but get over it.


PS I remember a pub that had a sign on the door 'no leather jackets'. We survived