Police cause SV650 to crash...

[yorkie_chris]

Almost like a really elaborate version of "look dad no hands"... "look dad no teeth"...

[NTECUK]

Ok hands up.
Who's had a police officer jump out like that in the last 20 year's.

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by Wideboy

.... I'm not confusing speed limit with excessive speed, my argument is that they weren't at excessive speed because A) there is no speed limit and B) the others stopped whilst going at the same speed thus proving that as a group they weren't riding at a dangerous speed for the conditions. I really don't know what is so hard to understand by that .

you can quite clearly see on the clip the VFR brake with no response from the sv rider. As I've said already . To me this says that he wasn't paying 100% attention to the VFR. If you can see the brake light on a video then you can sure see one in first person. After he fails to respond he then panics when he could have gone round.

The speed limit has no bearing on deciding if the riders speed was excessive for the circumstances. The circumstances vary from rider to rider, in this case the rider of the VFR could see where he was going and was paying sufficient attention to what was going on to be able to carry the speed that he had.

The rider on the the SV didn't have as good a view, may or may not have been paying appropriate attention (you suggest he wasn't) and there have been various suggestions that his skill level did not appear to be on a par with the others..... All in all this adds up to the fact that he couldn't deal with the circumstances that developed at the speed he was riding at. This means his speed was inappropriate in that it was excessive.

[yorkie_chris]

Too much fannying about with rear brake and not enough filtering to figure out how to go for a gap properly. Bloody poofs.

[Wideboy]

But excessive for the conditions?

Originally Posted by Wideboy

But excessive for the conditions?

Yes 100%, I'm a little shocked you think otherwise tbh mate.

Originally Posted by NTECUK

Ok hands up.
Who's had a police officer jump out like that in the last 20 year's.

yes,about 2 years ago,most probably 30yards away from me,one sunny evening on a country road on my little two stroke,and at 40mph with expasion chambers it sound like a rg500 racebike doing 90 mph,the young copper jumped out of a field gateway on the opposite side of the road with his speed gun in his hand,but i was going slow enough to stop near him,thinking if im going to be done for speeding,i might as well know about it there and then,told me it was a 30mph, and i was doing just over that,and have a nice day and take it easy

[Wideboy]

Originally Posted by specialone

Yes 100%, I'm a little shocked you think otherwise tbh mate.

I think otherwise as the two other riders managed to stop.

Love you Gav

[DJ123]

Originally Posted by Wideboy

I think otherwise as the two other riders managed to stop.

it was more the poor rider that caused the crash as has been mentioned-he failed to see the obstacle, reacted instead of responded, panicked and f'd up by getting target fixation.
Anyone else (I would like to think) would have used the front brake correctly and instead would have chosen to go round the other side of that bike, not between him and the copper . . .