Leave the UK?

Originally Posted by neio79

can i have one as well, be the Wiltshire Rep??

Indeed with pleasure. I can see the populace embracing our thinking and the wind of change will carry us forward.
(Although we will have to carry out some J.Edgar Hoover type checks on you first.)

A firm hand will be held up in the face of Brussels as we seek to establish a society were good, hardworking people truly benefit from their endeavours and can walk the streets freely.

Political Correctness is all well and good but we for once will decide what is correct and not some theorist who slaps mayonaise on his fries!

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Indeed with pleasure. I can see the populace embracing our thinking and the wind of change will carry us forward.

A firm hand will be held up in the face of Brussels as we seek to establish a society were good, hardworking people truly benefit from their endeavours and can walk the streets freely.

Political Correctness is all well and good but we for once will decide what is correct and not some theorist who slaps mayonaise on his fries!

I see Mr Pedro is on a roll.......momentum and all that.....Topman


Ben

Originally Posted by Daimo

No probs

But please do expand on the lack of perspective, because if your not shown what things your missing/don't understand fully, then how are you meant to learn and progress....... Im happy to learn anything about new ways.

I understand this country has a LOT to offer its people, a lot better than many other countries, but this country now has (IMO) gone down a huge pan in the last 10 years (im only 26!!!!! And i've noticed it), the traffic is worse, the people are more hostile, and you can't do much about it. Taxes have gone up, fuel, we are over-charged on many things to keep the economy going, but the killer is the way the government is dicating to the people what they can and cannot do. Freedom of choice is dissapearing.

OTher countries may not be able to offer a lot of things this country does, but then they also can make up in other areas (and loose still).

Im not blind, but if im missing something here that you think should be pointed out, say it.

Everything you're saying applies not only to the UK but to the entire world. It's happening here in Portugal too, just probably not as evident as up there as we're never in the center of the world's attention. Which brings me to my previous point about the "Island" concept.
From where I'm standing, and let me state once again that is just a personal opinion, lots of British people still live with the trauma (I shall call it this for lack of a better word right now) of being on an Island, and were (un)fortunate enough to have their language elevated to the "Universal Language" role, hence you bringing up the language as an instant conditioning factor of your choice. You never had to learn another language to communicate with the rest of the world, because everyone else is supposed to be able to speak English. See where I'm coming from with the "pot / kettle" thing? It seems to me like it's not only the Americans who think the world limits coincide with their own country's borders.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

...not some theorist who slaps mayonaise on his fries!

And what exactly is wrong with mayonnaise?

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Generally very good suggestions

I don't think the "verifiable clean criminal record" for migrants is vary fair. A lot of the legit political migrants (moreso than the economic migrants, I suspect) lack a clean criminal record. One of the things that despots do is try to shame/criminalise those who oppose them to undermine support for them and their cause. When that fails to work (by which point the person has a criminal record, even if their only crime is resisting a corrupt regime) they get even more unpleasent, families are threatened, etc. then the people get scared and leave. It'd be a sorry state of affairs to turn this (arguably the most just) form of migrant away. One of my friends has a criminal record "back home" solely because his old man (who also has a criminal record) opposed Saddam's regime. He is one of the most law abiding people I know and works/contributes to our economy. He has also integrated spectacularly well, speaks english so fluently that if you couldn't see the colour of his skin you'd assume he was indiginous. I suppose some immigration hardliners would argue that now Saddam is out, he should go back home. I'd argue against that. He has been here well over a decade, spent his formative years here, all his friends are here, etc. If we're overcrowded I'd rather see him stay and someone who took being born into this country for granted and who has abused our benefits system deported to take his place.

Aside from that, you make a very appealing case/good policy.

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by Filipe M.

Everything you're saying applies not only to the UK but to the entire world. It's happening here in Portugal too, just probably not as evident as up there as we're never in the center of the world's attention. ...........more

F.M, this post of yours reminds me of your old Sig

Originally Posted by 21QUEST

F.M, this post of yours reminds me of your old Sig

Which one?

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by Filipe M.

Which one?

Think about "ladies, quotes" ........


Ben

Originally Posted by 21QUEST

Think about "ladies, quotes" ........


Ben

Ah yes, I thought that might be the one. I'm not quoting you, though

Originally Posted by Filipe M.

Everything you're saying applies not only to the UK but to the entire world. It's happening here in Portugal too, just probably not as evident as up there as we're never in the center of the world's attention. Which brings me to my previous point about the "Island" concept.
From where I'm standing, and let me state once again that is just a personal opinion, lots of British people still live with the trauma (I shall call it this for lack of a better word right now) of being on an Island, and were (un)fortunate enough to have their language elevated to the "Universal Language" role, hence you bringing up the language as an instant conditioning factor of your choice. You never had to learn another language to communicate with the rest of the world, because everyone else is supposed to be able to speak English. See where I'm coming from with the "pot / kettle" thing? It seems to me like it's not only the Americans who think the world limits coincide with their own country's borders.

Again down to the poor ways of the government. I for one wish i'd have had another language forced on me from a young age, like many countries do with english. So im no "pot or kettle" I had French and Spanish, but by the time you start learning that in this country (About 11-12 years old), you have many other things on your mind. Puberty, life, girls, school, its hard to learn another language too (and given todays kids, probably near impossible to teach).

Im saying that its a considerable factor to consider when moving abroad. You can learn a new language with time, but if your just moving to another country, to get a job you have to be able to speak the language fairly well. Therefor you need to start learning well in advance before moving there. But the world is a big place, and first you have to find WHERE you want to live before you can start learning the language. It adds the time and makes it a much harder thing to do.

Im not blind to it all, I understand what needs to be done, but as im only just getting on the financial market with a house, i don't have the funds to go on holidays and nice trips, therefore I can't even get to the stage of discovering where to live...........

You see where IM coming from