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Old 22-05-07, 11:39 AM   #11
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Old 22-05-07, 11:40 AM   #12
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Old 22-05-07, 11:43 AM   #13
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I suspect "nothing" is a concept that's pretty much impossible to squeeze into a human mind, much like infinity - they're both something we can intellectually appreciate but not actually comprehend as such.

Closest approximation I can come up with is - it's exactly the same as your perception of the universe before you were born (excepting the people who apparently remember being Julius Caesar in a previous life). What is death - exactly the same as before you were born, ie. nothing. Curiously my internal concept of nothing is black, and surely black is something, if only a concept?
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"Nothing, nothing's what you got when you ain't got something."
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Old 22-05-07, 11:44 AM   #15
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Alpinestarhero... come on, you're a chemist. Define the terms you used without using the term you're trying to define.
Ah damn, you really want an answer!

Well, I guess in truth, there really is no such thing as nothing. Something must have been before, possible a rather small and infinetly dense blip of energy. Quantum fluctuations (random, of course!) caused an inhomogenity in the energy blip which caused its "explosion" and therefore the period of great expansion, during which matter (and antimetter) where created (an anhilated). We only say theres nothing when our instruments cant detect something (limits of detection) and we only say theres nothing before the universe because it probably isnt something we can comprehend, sorta like we couldnt imagine a shape with dimensions higher than our common three (unless your very very strange)

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I suspect "nothing" is a concept that's pretty much impossible to squeeze into a human mind, much like infinity - they're both something we can intellectually appreciate but not actually comprehend as such.
At that point, I'd say you hit the nail on the head. If I wanted to be pedantic, a concept is something.

Northy, if you've "got anything" then you have something, not nothing.

You can actually get away with "Nothing can't be defined." Which is actually a double negative in English, and implies that everything can be defined. Which brings back the original question.

You can tell why we're all computer programmers in this office.
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Old 22-05-07, 11:46 AM   #17
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Nothing is something and that something is nothing.

Or, its cosmic noodles, put in place by the flying spagetti monster. These intertwined and formed the matter you and I know and love today.

All hail the flying spagetti monster and the pastafarians who worship it (not he, or she!)

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Studies have shown that Global Warming is due to the decline in the number of Pirates in the world.

You have a bad off and its goodbye Essex !!!!!!
Does that pirates only include the sea-faring kind? What about those that pirate DVD's and games, and CD's and stuff?

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