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15-10-07, 11:56 AM | #11 | |
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15-10-07, 12:10 PM | #12 | |
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15-10-07, 12:10 PM | #13 |
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Advanced driving/riding is based on the Police system of car/bike control called IPSGA
INFORMATION POSITION SPEED GEAR ACCLERATION You are meant to use your forward obs and planning as you approach a corner, and look at your limit point. If it's a right hander then take up a position in the left hand third of your lane, left hander get out almost as far as the white line down the cente of the road. (this gives you the greatest vision around the corner) Your speed should match the speed of the limit point, ie if it's closing in your going to fast etc, and you trade off speed until the limit point moves at the speed of your bike, if you need to brake then that's when you do it. Once you've got your speed right and travelling at the speed you need for the corner then you select the gear that you want to travel the corner and accelerate out of. Tip the bike in and hold the throttle constant. Once the limit points moves away from you then give it some more right wrist, BUT, you should also use your forward obs and planning to be scanning ahead for the next hazard. No good going round bend in 4th, at about 6,000 revs than nail it to the red line if the next corner is only 100yds away, then you would be under heavy braking, not a smooth ride at all, absolutley no forward observation and planning. % of crash risk - V. high. I use this all the time when I'm out, it means I can have a hoon, but get home with all my little arms and legs in the places I left them the last time. |
15-10-07, 12:15 PM | #14 |
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When you approach a junction or side road that is located around a bend then you have to brake whilst cornering. You can't slow down to 10mph then go round the bend at that speed. Never had a problem braking whilst cornering. It is a basic skill I learned whilst riding motorcross bikes at age 7. Any half decent rider should have a feel for how much they can brake whilst leaned over and which brake to use the most etc.
I have to say that most of the stuff I hear from IAM and advanced riding literature is just the biggest load of patronising nonsense going. They should stay at home with their pipe and slippers and stay away from bikes. |
15-10-07, 01:09 PM | #15 |
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Ok, yes to clarify, my shock is that I see this as the most BASIC way to go about business!!! Grabbing large handfuls mid corner is a no-no, sure, but braking into the corner, (ultimately all the way to the apex) is surely the way forward? Even for road ‘progressive’ riding??? …
After reading this last night, I actually tried only braking whilst upright today, not only was it difficult to find times when I was 100% upright for any period, I ended up going painfully slowly beacuse of this very fact (i.e. I had no points I could brake (upright), so had to go real slow), I was making no marked ‘progress’ at all. Sure ‘safe’ as I was only going slow, but ‘progress’ …no … I agree head down all the way to the apex might be a little OTT for road riding, but to dismiss any dragging the brakes into a corner … I don’t see that as advanced … |
15-10-07, 01:39 PM | #16 |
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This is actually covered in the CBT. We always tell our students to brake before coming into a bend & not in the bend itself.
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15-10-07, 03:10 PM | #17 |
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Indeed, so at the most basic level its a good idea - start simple ... but ADVANCED (presumably AIM etc) riding technique? You ain’t going anywhere ‘progressively' like that
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15-10-07, 03:23 PM | #18 |
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Re: Advanced riding braking
I trail the front brake into a bend now and again on the road on the GSXR, It felt really odd at first, but now I think I do it a lot more than I think I do.
I find I switch riding styles between the SV and the GSXR and I just dont have the confidence in the SV front end to do it. I guess its a kinda useful skill and its just another tool in the box to get you out of trouble, but it might also land me in trouble at the same time. I'd defo not do it on the SV though.
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15-10-07, 03:31 PM | #19 |
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I definitely think that braking into an corner is a part of smooth progressive riding - having to be off the brakes & have the bike settled before turning in reduces the fluidity of riding for me. I do moderate it if conditions are not optimum - especially if it's wet/slippery/bumpy. I find that turning in on the brakes helps the bike to turn & progressively releasing them into the apex makes for a much smoother corner entry than the alternative |
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