CBT/DAS Couse in Reading. What bike for a new rider?

your guess is as good as mine yorkie.

Big bikes aren't really any harder to ride/operate are they? And there's no rule stating that you have to go for a fast or big bike once you've passed a DAS or that that is the end of your formal training.
The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

Originally Posted by sinbad

Big bikes aren't really any harder to ride/operate are they? And there's no rule stating that you have to go for a fast or big bike once you've passed a DAS or that that is the end of your formal training.
The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

Totally disagree. DAS is done on a poxy 45bhp bike and you are telling me that after just 4 days on one of those you can go and ride a 2008 ZX10R!!! I think the restricted way is muc better, even though it is a little annoying. I got a scooter at 16. Did my test at 17 and got an RS125. Had that for 18 months until it blew up one time too many! Then I got the restricted SV and 6 months later de restricted it and hey presto.

Sorry but born agains are prime example of this. This isnt a dig by the way. But buying a thou after passing your test on a 500 is just plain stupid. I am one of the few who actually agrees with the new test. I even think they should bring in a similar idea for cars. How many 17yr olds do you see buying a scooby etc. with daddys money and binning it.

Originally Posted by sideshow46

Totally disagree. DAS is done on a poxy 45bhp bike and you are telling me that after just 4 days on one of those you can go and ride a 2008 ZX10R!!! I think the restricted way is muc better, even though it is a little annoying. I got a scooter at 16. Did my test at 17 and got an RS125. Had that for 18 months until it blew up one time too many! Then I got the restricted SV and 6 months later de restricted it and hey presto.

Sorry but born agains are prime example of this. This isnt a dig by the way. But buying a thou after passing your test on a 500 is just plain stupid. I am one of the few who actually agrees with the new test. I even think they should bring in a similar idea for cars. How many 17yr olds do you see buying a scooby etc. with daddys money and binning it.

+1

did my CBT (but had riden bikes before)
got my RS125 for 2 years
then the DRZ400e
then the SV650S

I think a gradual progession is best. Even after riding for a good few years it was still a power shock getting on the SV compared to what I had riden before.

What ever route she takes, as long as she is safe and sensible untill shes confident, then what ever suits her best

Originally Posted by sideshow46

Totally disagree. DAS is done on a poxy 45bhp bike and you are telling me that after just 4 days on one of those you can go and ride a 2008 ZX10R!!! I think the restricted way is muc better, even though it is a little annoying. I got a scooter at 16. Did my test at 17 and got an RS125. Had that for 18 months until it blew up one time too many! Then I got the restricted SV and 6 months later de restricted it and hey presto.

Sorry but born agains are prime example of this. This isnt a dig by the way. But buying a thou after passing your test on a 500 is just plain stupid. I am one of the few who actually agrees with the new test. I even think they should bring in a similar idea for cars. How many 17yr olds do you see buying a scooby etc. with daddys money and binning it.

Second sentence of your post totally flies in the face of what I actually wrote.

By bigger bikes, I didn't mean, or even come close to saying "BIG 1000cc sports bikes".

Secondly, final sentence of my post:
"I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with."

It's the decision to ride a ZX-10r that will get you killed, not that you are qualified to ride one!!!!

I'm sorry, but your post has annoyed me a tad

Let's get one thing straight. I don't agree with ppl getting on fast fast bikes after DAS. But there are plenty of ways to get dead on a bike that do not involve excessive input from the right hand, I'm sure we'll all agree. That is why riding on your own after just a couple of hours is (to my mind) ludicrous.
Better to have several days of observed riding. You don't HAVE to get a fast bike afterwards.

[chris8886]

if she wants to do and pass her test before the new rules then i would say do cbt and then DAS, beacuse if she can get a test in august at all and then fails there's no way i think she'd get another one before october and the new rules!

i myself did my cbt then my proper test (on a 125 because i was under 21) and then got my sv and have it restricted. mainly because i couldn't really afford to buy a 125 and ride for a while first. on top of that i think that it could have then been a problem doing my full test because you'll be doing 'real world riding' instead of pass your test riding. resulting in struggleing to pass my test. which in my opinion are really quite different.

i agree with what people have said about being restricted first, but in this situation i'd get the DAS done asap and be very sensible about the choice of bike. you could even restrict it to 33bhp and do some extra training and when ready take the restrictors out.

The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

OK so what is the difference between the DAS test, (over 21) and the test I did on a 125? There is no difference apart from the bikes. They are both "intense" tuition!!!

Not every rider has the option of DAS!! Being under 21 is usually a crippler when applying for that route!

Chris thanks I'll take look and pass the info onto her....

For my sister its really more of toy as the car is needed for work, and something she has like wanted to do for a while, my mum was like no. But you know what parents are like!

I was thinking of the cbr for a month to praticse on. RS125 yup they look like loads of fun, if she was to get one I'll be send round to you Chris as you both live in the same town!

Wouldn't mind one, however I have more than enough to deal with. I would suggest an Sv for her as well, mine is great another SV on the road, can only be a good thing see what happens.

Originally Posted by sideshow46

OK so what is the difference between the DAS test, (over 21) and the test I did on a 125? There is no difference apart from the bikes. They are both "intense" tuition!!!

Not every rider has the option of DAS!! Being under 21 is usually a crippler when applying for that route!

Very little except the bike is like a bike that most of us actually intend to ride. My quibble is with CBT and people that say: "Nahh, just do cbt and get a 125 for 12months, don't go for a big bike straight away, teach yourself." As if that is actually any safer. I believe that it's more dangerous in fact.

The road hazards we face do not change because we are on lower capacity machinery.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by sinbad

Big bikes aren't really any harder to ride/operate are they? And there's no rule stating that you have to go for a fast or big bike once you've passed a DAS or that that is the end of your formal training.
The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

Er saywhat?

You can go for your DAS test with no training at all. Buy a brand new gixxer thou, stick an L plate on it and take it to the test center in a van.

Doubt you'll pass... but you could have a go. (good luck with the insurance like...)



The new test rules are complete b0llocks. They are, like the parallel parking and U turns in the car test, a "hoop to jump through". All they've done with these new rules is make it impossible unless you can afford the time and money to go to the other end of the county to get your license!

They are completely killing biking as a mode of transport, the only people who are going to be able to do their tests with the new system are the old fat gits who want a weekend toy!



As for CBT's, it's a cheap way into the sport and the life of biking, whats the point of spending probably a grand on getting your proper license if you then get rained on the first time and think "fk this".

Safety? Why is it anyones concern? What gives any of us the right to deny for example 16 year old's the right to transport? If it's that important for "safety" rather than freedom, you try take a bus and see if you still feel the same!