Bike fuel protests in manchester

[Viney]

I predict a riot, however, no one can afford the petrol for the molotov cocktails

[G]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

so this 'crisis' is only hurting those of us on such tight budgets. I think that needs to be recognised and duly acted upon

I dont think its fair to disciminate, which I think is what you may be suggesting if I read that right?

One price for all, just a cheaper price.

It hits everybody, some people get fuel cards and then some people who are doing 400miles a day would rather get home an 1hour+ earlier than sit at 60mph.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Viney

I predict a riot, however, no one can afford the petrol for the molotov cocktails

Just pad the petrol out with some fairy liquid..................

On a positive note i think that the price increase is making people think more about there dependency on fuel/oil at the end of the day joking aside oil is a finite resourse and in 100 years have already used up a huge chunk of it, many oil fields are in decline i,e they have reached there peak output and the amount of oil they are producing is beginning to fall this is happening on own doorstep in the northsea, yet our demend for oil and gas is going up! very worrying as the gas we are going to have to buy in to sustain our needs is alot more expensive than the gas we have sold from our reserves. I think people need to look at there expenditure on fuel begining now because its only going to get worse, my future bike, car choices will be as much based on fuel economy as much as it will be other things. We are living very unsustainable lifestyles and things need to change!! just my pennysworth!

Im sure people will continue to use it regardless buying 4.0l cars picking the kids up from school in the chelsea tractors until every last drop has gone but then i guess thats thats human intelligence

Originally Posted by G

I dont think its fair to disciminate, which I think is what you may be suggesting if I read that right?

One price for all, just a cheaper price.

It hits everybody, some people get fuel cards and then some people who are doing 400miles a day would rather get home an 1hour+ earlier than sit at 60mph.

I don't think there should be two different prices, but I do think it need to be recognised that fuel is an essential. This price I can cope with, but increase it further and I'm going to really struggle.

I'd just like the government to start subsidising essentials such as fresh veg. I noticed this weekend that some veg is more expensive by weight than meat was 6 months ago! Not only would this help us all out, but the money could be taken directly away from all these campaigns to do with the obese.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I don't think there should be two different prices, but I do think it need to be recognised that fuel is an essential. This price I can cope with, but increase it further and I'm going to really struggle.

I'd just like the government to start subsidising essentials such as fresh veg. I noticed this weekend that some veg is more expensive by weight than meat was 6 months ago! Not only would this help us all out, but the money could be taken directly away from all these campaigns to do with the obese.

What did we do before we had fuel?! what will be do when there is no more Fuel?! forget running cars etc on vegetable oil there isnt enough space in the world to grow enough aswell as food. So that rules ethanol out aswell! we need a new technology and we need it fast.

[timwilky]

We also need to think again about where people work/live.

For the past 50 plus years we have moved people out of the employment zones or created new industrial parks miles from anywhere etc. Now in order to work. People must commute. However, outside of the large cities, public transport is not an option. It simply does not exist.

I am fortunate and work 90% of my time from home. My biggest expense the 80 miles/day commute is a thing of the past. Employers must start to think, does this need to be done by somebody sat in this office or can it be done (often cheaper) remotely. Additionally when businesses relocate they should be required to undertake an assessment as to the impact upon employees.

Originally Posted by mototech

On a positive note i think that the price increase is making people think more about there dependency on fuel/oil at the end of the day joking aside oil is a finite resourse and in 100 years have already used up a huge chunk of it, many oil fields are in decline i,e they have reached there peak output and the amount of oil they are producing is beginning to fall this is happening on own doorstep in the northsea, yet our demend for oil and gas is going up! very worrying as the gas we are going to have to buy in to sustain our needs is alot more expensive than the gas we have sold from our reserves. I think people need to look at there expenditure on fuel begining now because its only going to get worse, my future bike, car choices will be as much based on fuel economy as much as it will be other things. We are living very unsustainable lifestyles and things need to change!! just my pennysworth!

Im sure people will continue to use it regardless buying 4.0l cars picking the kids up from school in the chelsea tractors until every last drop has gone but then i guess thats thats human intelligence

I was going to make this comment if it hadn't already been made - it has and I think quite well so I shan't repeat the above.

We (humanity) have got to change our ways if we want to survive and yet maintain something like the lifestyle many enjoy today. So much as the price increases pain me, I agree that it's actually doing some good in terms of getting the issue into people's awareness. It's a shame that most of the money is going into the pockets of relatively few (oil company shareholders) and not towards the R&D of alternatives.

My car\bike decisions have been influenced by fuel costs for the last ten years (all the time I've been riding\driving). I'm saddened as I realise now I'm never going to be able to afford to drive anything approaching my 'dream' cars\bikes, well not powered by IC engines anyway.

I agree that the fact that the increases hit some (low income) more than others is a serious issue. However artificialy lowering the price carte blanche isn't the answer. I don't know what is.

The relative inefficiency of modern cars (and bikes) really annoys me. If they were made lighter they would use less fuel. People want more, not less though. However vehicles are only a part of the problem and changes in their design are going to be determined by economics rather than foresight.

Personaly and this might sounds odd, but looking to the future my plan for personal survival is to look for happyness is simpler ways, accepting that at some point in my lifetime it's possible that the idea of driving\riding around for fun will be a thing of the past (or the passtime of the rich).

Originally Posted by timwilky

We also need to think again about where people work/live.

For the past 50 plus years we have moved people out of the employment zones or created new industrial parks miles from anywhere etc. Now in order to work. People must commute. However, outside of the large cities, public transport is not an option. It simply does not exist.

I am fortunate and work 90% of my time from home. My biggest expense the 80 miles/day commute is a thing of the past. Employers must start to think, does this need to be done by somebody sat in this office or can it be done (often cheaper) remotely. Additionally when businesses relocate they should be required to undertake an assessment as to the impact upon employees.

Nail on head!! exactly my thoughts i also used to do a 40mile commute daily five years ago and even then the costs of fuel added up wouldnt like to have ot do that now, peoples whole lifestyles need to change to make living more economical boring i know but there you go...

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Originally Posted by timwilky

Additionally when businesses relocate they should be required to undertake an assessment as to the impact upon employees.

If they are moving into a new premises they have to.

Also these new business parks they build everywhere, to get planning approval green plans have to be produced, stating how people will get to work etc

There alot more thought goes into it than you would think.

I could do my job from home entirely alas that wont happen in the near future.