What if: You're on the tube & a policemarks man thinks you're a terrorist? Catch 22...

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Yeah?

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Do as we say and you will live through it, act agressively and you will be put on the deck (dead or alive will depend on your actions).

Bear in mind that if an SF man is stood in front of you he is authorised to use lethal force, we are a lot more agressive but we still have rules and laws to follow.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Do as we say and you will live through it, act agressively and you will be put on the deck (dead or alive will depend on your actions).

Bear in mind that if an SF man is stood in front of you he is authorised to use lethal force, we are a lot more agressive but we still have rules and laws to follow.

As I understand it De Menezes was dead from at least the point he went into the station.

It had been confirmed that he was a suicide bomber.

The police has been trained to use head shots without warning in such cases to prevent suicide bombers from detonating their bombs.

Any and all fault lies with the person who looked at the information and authorised the operation.

The Officers involved directly have no case to answer.

TBH its issues like this that make me think that we should get rid of Armed Police officers entirely and have members of the Special Forces do the job while seconded to the Police force.

Those individuals should never be identified under any circumstances and their Police handler should be responsible for all actions they take.

[yorkie_chris]

I have little respect for the armed police. It's not long since they shot someone on a raid, for sitting up in bed, unarmed, as they came into room.

My question is if it's so dangerous out there that the police need arms, why is it illegal for a subject of this regime to carry any weapon so terrifying as a nail-file.

Option C)
Stand still and, put my hands behind your head. Regardless of whether it turns out to be a copper or a mugger, you're far less likely to get shot. Unless there's only one of "them" and they are very close, in which case I'd probably grapple with them and disarm them.

Our armed police occassionally do some ****-witted things (I personally know one who accidentally shot himself in the leg and temporarily deafened his colleagues in the van on the way to a raid), but look on the bright side, at least there is some sort of vetting before they give them a gun. Unlike the septics, who hand any waddling, moustache-wearing hick a shooter.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Any and all fault lies with the person who looked at the information and authorised the operation.

The Officers involved directly have no case to answer.

+ 1

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

TBH its issues like this that make me think that we should get rid of Armed Police officers entirely and have members of the Special Forces do the job while seconded to the Police force.

I agree, despite my biased opinion due to my job, I believe CO19 do not offer anything that we cannot. We have more skills, more experience, a lot more training, and a hell of a lot more dicipline. The only issue we have about anouncing SF actions within the UK is being branded as uncontrolable thugs.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Those individuals should never be identified under any circumstances and their Police handler should be responsible for all actions they take.

+ 1

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

I personally know one who accidentally shot himself in the leg and temporarily deafened his colleagues in the van on the way to a raid

The guy is an idiot obviously, if he managed to do that he should never of been given the chance to work with firearms.

At the risk of going over old ground several times over I would like to point out at this time that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the various inquiries into Stockwell has concluded that there was NOTHING Menezes could have done differently that day that would have prevented him from getting shot.

I take issue with the usual suspects who continue to imply that he must have done something wrong and probably deserved it in some way.

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

At the risk of going over old ground several times over I would like to point out at this time that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the various inquiries into Stockwell has concluded that there was NOTHING Menezes could have done differently that day that would have prevented him from getting shot.

+ 1, he acted in the manner he did and a reaction was made. Job done, no fault made by the armed personnel involved.

Originally Posted by Kinvig

If you do nothing, then you're dead right?

Why???

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Why???

Menezes actions were all innocent & miscontrued to be terroristy.