an environmental rant..

The empirical problem is that the dominating influence on the planet is based on constant growth in a finite system.

Capitalism can't continue on a fixed size planet.

[Bri w]

I think I'll be gone long before the environment.

The only thing that will change how 'we' use the planet's resources is inconvenience. Efforts to resolve our growing problems will only become serious when there is an undeniable, and immediate, danger to the lives and lifestyles of the world's powerbrokers.

"Climate Change": Trying to judge a system millions of years old based on less than 200 years' worth of mostly inaccurate records. If things were cooling down, they'd come up with a doom story for that: reducing crop yields, ice ages, etc etc.

Hybrid cars: All down the fact that diesel cars in North America are all but non-existent apart from VAG cars. Everything else, from the smallest city car to the biggest SUV or pickup, is gasoline. It doesn't matter that per gallon a diesel is a huge amount more efficient...

Here is an inconvenient truth there are too many people on the planet, stop rewarding people to have kids.

'Carbon Neutral'

What a load of horse sh*t.

Burn some oil = plant a tree.

Rubbish.

Once its burnt its gone. Its not coming back. We shouldn't be so bothered about being 'carbon neutral' - we should be spending our efforts getting our alternatives to fossil fuels sorted out.

Originally Posted by Berlin

The empirical problem is that the dominating influence on the planet is based on constant growth in a finite system.

Capitalism can't continue on a fixed size planet.

You've hit the nail on the head there.

Think of capitalism as a global pyramid selling scheme. You need more and more consumers. Eventually it'll collapse, they always do. I'm not talking about the tiny little blip we've just had either.

Originally Posted by metalangel

"Climate Change": Trying to judge a system millions of years old based on less than 200 years' worth of mostly inaccurate records. If things were cooling down, they'd come up with a doom story for that: reducing crop yields, ice ages, etc etc.

Hybrid cars: All down the fact that diesel cars in North America are all but non-existent apart from VAG cars. Everything else, from the smallest city car to the biggest SUV or pickup, is gasoline. It doesn't matter that per gallon a diesel is a huge amount more efficient...

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the americans really didnt help things by making near as damnit every single car they made between the 50's up to modern day, with a wacking great 6litre engine that produces f*ck all horsepower and sounds like a gurgling drain.

[tigersaw]

Originally Posted by hardhat_harry

Here is an inconvenient truth there are too many people on the planet, stop rewarding people to have kids.

precisely

[yorkie_chris]

Hybrids are a flawed concept driven by idiots who should be educated with a shovel to the nose.

Originally Posted by 454697819

Exactly the same for boilers, scrap ur old one, buy a new one but really why? environmentally does it actually stack up.. I mean serioulsy if were taliking C02 please someone show me the figures which validate these claims of helping the environment.

One I'll be happy to chat about. We got a new boiler, our gas bill dropped by 30%. That's massive and will pay for itself within a few years. That's what I call a good idea

Whether they actually condense anything or not is not a great concern so long as efficiency is as high as possible. noticeably, higher than the 20 year old technology it replaces.

Lots of very cool things to be done with domestic heat, CHP, heat pumps etc. Just a little more complex than normal, but the possible gains are huge.


What annoys me more is the modern thing of making things overly complex and unserviceable beyond the warranty period. Applies to so many things. The waste is unbelievable.
Would be nice to see a return to building of quality equipment which could be repaired rather than thrown away.