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Old 07-06-11, 12:03 PM   #11
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I dont think the rider can blame anybody but him/herself for this one.
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Old 07-06-11, 01:24 PM   #12
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Yeh, I would have said that was the riders fault. But stilll.....ouchy!
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Old 07-06-11, 01:27 PM   #13
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he must be a plonker.. if you look closely he has his high beam on lol.
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Old 07-06-11, 01:33 PM   #14
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I put the greater degree of fault down to the 4x4 driver --mirror, signal, maneuver if SAFE TO DO SO.[Observation]
If he has high beam on it emphasizes the fact that the 4x4 driver did not do the above.

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Old 07-06-11, 01:42 PM   #15
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id suggest its not entirely the bikers fault, the 4x4 man pulled out without checking. that said im not sure what the rules slash laws are on filtering.

there but for the grace of god go the majority of us i'd say
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Old 07-06-11, 01:43 PM   #16
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I put the greater degree of fault down to the 4x4 driver --mirror, signal, maneuver if SAFE TO DO SO.[Observation]
If he has high beam on it emphasizes the fact that the 4x4 driver did not do the above.
I agree with Dicky here, although I think we all agree the signs were there to be seen by the rider. It is still the van that makes a maneuver which results in the collision. No maneuver = no accident - therefore IMO van drivers fault.

Consdier that if the biker had been a police or paramedic bike trying to get to an accident (potential reason for traffic que) the van would have knocked that rider off and proberbly stood up in court for his actions. In its simplist form they failed to make sure that it was clear to change lanes - proof of this failure is the collision its self.
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Old 07-06-11, 03:11 PM   #17
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Ooof, painful. A bit negligent all round IMO
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Old 07-06-11, 03:23 PM   #18
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from a legal standpoint I would agree that blame can be apportioned amongst both parties. But from a riders perspective he had total control over whether or not he placed himself at risk of this happening.

As a rider I think you should take control of your own vulnerability where at all possible. Filtering is a risky activity, especially at speed and every rider should be aware of that. This was an accident just waiting to happen.
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Old 07-06-11, 05:13 PM   #19
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I'd say the 4x4s fault, but completely foreseeable/avoidable from riders perspective.
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Old 07-06-11, 05:23 PM   #20
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Oh yes. I love to filter and get by cars, but this is always a worry x
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