Dog bones and handling changes?

Originally Posted by barwel1992

Jack up plates messed with the suspension on my sv, I went back to standard , if you want to raise the rear get an adjustable shock I could sort you a öhlins out


Ps my bike was 50mm lower at the front and was in No way standard

We're talking big money for that aren't we though? Scare me with a price!

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Originally Posted by bert682

We're talking big money for that aren't we though? Scare me with a price!

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about £450+ for a mono single way adjustable (does both comp and reb in one adjuster) dosn't have a piggy back but has an internal gas reservoir

roughly about £900+ for the fully adjustable version with a hydraulic preload adjuster

prices are off the top of my head

Originally Posted by speedyandypandy

I'm sure you know your dampers, by the way when are you taking a trip to Norway ? The JHS guys said that they had tested the gixer damper on one of racebikes, found it dropped of to quick.
Mike Edwards always goes a bit harder and stiffer then the perfect setup when he's setting up a bike, so that it when it drops of during a race it doesn't go to soft... I also thought a damper was built/setup with ambient temp in mind?

Im not going any where, norway? if your on about ohlins then thats Sweden and the boss goes to that not me, we dont support the race series we do initial setup and R&D and we set dampers up at around 40o as when we dyno stuf we run a warm up test first, the drop off in race is more to do with the shims dishing in the way the oil travels so theres less tension on the piston face, also the oil loses its viscosity the older it gets, heat is a factor but not the only factor

Originally Posted by barwel1992

Im not going any where, norway?

No no not sweden, since your a ohlins tech I was wondering when you would come over to Norway and teach me to service my ohlins dampers and maybe my koni damper, marchozzi forks and dampers

So JHS is wrong, where they throwing the better to buy one from us pitch? Have I been tricked again.... Well, I never bought anything from them, but I do have a ohlins damper on the self for the SV.

Jhs is not wrong, just wernt giving 100% of the picture

And you can send you damper to bg motorsport

[mikerj]

Originally Posted by speedyandypandy

Why does aftermarket shocks for most twins with resorvoirs have a remote resorvior?

So why do most OEM shocks for V-twin bikes NOT have a remote reservoir? e.g. Aprilia RSV, Honda SP1,SP2. KTM RC8, Ducati 748,916,996,999,1098 etc.

Originally Posted by mikerj

So why do most OEM shocks for V-twin bikes NOT have a remote reservoir? e.g. Aprilia RSV, Honda SP1,SP2. KTM RC8, Ducati 748,916,996,999,1098 etc.

Why is most things on a oem bike crap? To make them cheaper, cutting costs where they can, and your average rider dosn't know jack s**t about suspension or dosn't have the skills needed to change their setup at all.
What a short list you have compaired with what you get if you buy aftermarked, I didn't have time to look at more than hyperpro and elka, the 3 year old came up the stairs screaming "I'm not tired!" but this is the list so far.
1125R, XB-9R, XB12R,M600, Supersport 600, 748, 749, Supersport 750, 848, 851 Strada, 888 Strada, Supersport 900, 999, VFR 750, VFR 800, VTR-1, VTR-2, 990 Superduke, 990R, SV650 Curvy, SV650 08-09, SV1000, TL1000, V-Strom 650,

[mikerj]

Originally Posted by speedyandypandy

Why is most things on a oem bike crap? To make them cheaper, cutting costs where they can, and your average rider dosn't know jack s**t about suspension or dosn't have the skills needed to change their setup at all.
What a short list you have compaired with what you get if you buy aftermarked, I didn't have time to look at more than hyperpro and elka, the 3 year old came up the stairs screaming "I'm not tired!" but this is the list so far.
1125R, XB-9R, XB12R,M600, Supersport 600, 748, 749, Supersport 750, 848, 851 Strada, 888 Strada, Supersport 900, 999, VFR 750, VFR 800, VTR-1, VTR-2, 990 Superduke, 990R, SV650 Curvy, SV650 08-09, SV1000, TL1000, V-Strom 650,

The bikes I listed have an external (but not remote) reservoir as standard, from the factory. Are you saying all the bikes above come with remote reservoir shocks as standard? In which case the SV and TL don't belong there for sure, and probably others. If you are talking about aftermarket shocks then you can buy pretty much anything you want to, integral or remote reservoir for many applications. remote reservoirs are generaly a convenience if space is tight.

The bikes I listed are also high performance V twin sports bikes unlike most if not all the ones in your list. Are you really suggesting that despite glowing praise for the handling of these bikes from the press and owners alike, that all these manufacturers screwed up by fitting a non-remote reservoir to their dampers? I hardly think so.

Presumably you have tried fitting a ZXR or GSX-R rear shock to your bike and noticed this dramatic fall off in damping as it warmed up? If so fair enough, though I'm surprised that with a talent like that you would be riding on something which has such crude suspension as an SV650.

Originally Posted by mikerj

Presumably you have tried fitting a ZXR or GSX-R rear shock to your bike and noticed this dramatic fall off in damping as it warmed up? If so fair enough, though I'm surprised that with a talent like that you would be riding on something which has such crude suspension as an SV650.

No I've not tried it, I listened to JHS advice, I would think they know what they are talking about. I not a high level club racer, but I know you can grind you oem exhaust on right hand corners with your standard 10 year old shock, wich I guess is more then most people get around to do on their SV. I do have a proper Ohlins damper on the shelf, wich will go in when one of the other bikes I've got is ready to take over as roadbike, Dymag carbonfibre/mag wheels will aslo go on by then, they came so cheap I just had to buy them.

Oh, and my SV is my fun/road/go-cart track bike, I really shouldn't have anything that "powerfull" on the road, but I can't find it in my heart to sell the SV, and maybe one day I'll grow up and drive sensible on the road and get a R something again, or stop riding on the road.
My gixer 600 k3 has sorted suspension, some tuning and pcIII with map/dyno time, it runs on rails compaired to the sv, but it's so much more fun on the SV.

[mikerj]

It may well be possible to ground the exhaust the a standard shock, but that doesn't mean it's a good shock - try going over a series of bumps whilst trying to ground the exhaust and tell me it felt planted I have fitted kawasaki shocks to both my dads curvy and my pointy, both with non-remote reservoirs and in both cases the rear suspension has been hugely improved (after a bit of playing with the damper settings) and I have done numerous long distance trips and it felt as good at the end as at the start. The original shock on my bike was only 4000 miles old as well.

I'll be the first to state that a shock from another bike is most unlikely to be optimal when fitted to an SV, but one thing for certain is that, with careful choice, their performance can be in a different league to the standard one.