EU propaganda

[Fallout]

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

So the EU want to spend someone else's money to try to keep themselves in their very comfy low tax positions?

Surprised not.

There is an ideal of European integration which, at it's heart, has benefits for all member states, trade agreements and international cooperation on many subjects simply makes sense for all involved.

But it isn't this one. And it never will be.

I don't just want the UK to leave, I want the whole vile, self serving, corrupt business smashed into nothing. The Commission, the Parliament, all of the EU institutions are hopeless, wasteful, mired in nepotism and corruption - if they ever had the cause of service to the citizens of EU states as their aim, that's so utterly forgotten as to be laughable now.

The whole rotten edifice must go, it's far far too broken ever to be made into the useful notion it may once have been.

*craccckklle zzzz* This is the EU. Your anti-EU stance has been noted. The counter argument is being arranged. YOU WILL BE SILENCED!

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Fallout

*craccckklle zzzz* This is the EU. Your anti-EU stance has been noted. The counter argument is being arranged. YOU WILL BE SILENCED!

Is your name Ahmed, and are you dead?

[Fallout]

Took me a while to get that, then when I read SIILLENCE it twigged!

Oh .. no btw.

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

So the EU want to spend someone else's money to try to keep themselves in their very comfy low tax positions?

Surprised not.

There is an ideal of European integration which, at it's heart, has benefits for all member states, trade agreements and international cooperation on many subjects simply makes sense for all involved.

But it isn't this one. And it never will be.

I don't just want the UK to leave, I want the whole vile, self serving, corrupt business smashed into nothing. The Commission, the Parliament, all of the EU institutions are hopeless, wasteful, mired in nepotism and corruption - if they ever had the cause of service to the citizens of EU states as their aim, that's so utterly forgotten as to be laughable now.

The whole rotten edifice must go, it's far far too broken ever to be made into the useful notion it may once have been.

The telegraph is right wing but seems to be not liking the current bunch

Just because two groups are right wing doesn't automatically mean they like or support each other.

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

So the EU want to spend someone else's money to try to keep themselves in their very comfy low tax positions?

Surprised not.

There is an ideal of European integration which, at it's heart, has benefits for all member states, trade agreements and international cooperation on many subjects simply makes sense for all involved.

But it isn't this one. And it never will be.

I don't just want the UK to leave, I want the whole vile, self serving, corrupt business smashed into nothing. The Commission, the Parliament, all of the EU institutions are hopeless, wasteful, mired in nepotism and corruption - if they ever had the cause of service to the citizens of EU states as their aim, that's so utterly forgotten as to be laughable now.

The whole rotten edifice must go, it's far far too broken ever to be made into the useful notion it may once have been.

You are not entirely pro EU then?

I have to agree.It is based on unsound economics and even worse,it is fundamentally undemocratic.It needs to either revert to a loose trading zone,or it will rip itself apart with much gnashing of teeth and possibly worse.

[Sid Squid]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

You are not entirely pro EU then?

Hmmmm... What gave me away?

All joking aside I am not by any ideal against the notion of the European States, (and any others considered suitable ), having an EEC-alike agreement, somewhat like that which was proposed the only time the British electorate have had an opportunity to give their opinion, in 1973.

Which is a long time for us not to be consulted, especially seeing as the proto-federal-superstate we now find ourselves inexorably being dragged into, is fundamentally not what the British public quite enthusiastically agreed to all that time ago. One can only wonder if our nation would have been quite so agreeable if the realities of the EU had been known then. Then again, if we hadn't voted 'yes' then, I wonder if we'd have had the despicable sight of the referendum simply being repeated until the answer the EU wanted was forthcoming. As happened in Ireland.

EU; not big on democracy.

We don't even get the promised benefits.

Having to pay to use foreign cash machines and not being able to legally access services like TV from other places (sky's football prices!)

[chris8886]

Originally Posted by Spank86

We don't even get the promised benefits.

Having to pay to use foreign cash machines and not being able to legally access services like TV from other places (sky's football prices!)

to get around this you need a FairFx card (google it!), you can draw out money from just about any atm in the world and not get stung in the backside with charges and an appauling exchange rate. the downside is that you have to deposit money into the 'account' type thing and can't withdraw it as such. tis too difficult to explain in written words for me, but seriously check it out. i used mine all the while i traveled in sout east asia (the little of it that i actually got to go around!) and have since used it in europe as well.

There's a lot of stuff in here that is factually wrong.

A lot of what the EU has done, and is doing, is good. On the whole, the benefits we have had (not just economic) are greater, in my opinion, than the negative aspects of being part of the union.

A break-up of the Eurozone now would be crippling, regardless of anyone's views, it would be; even if only for the reason that nobody knows exactly what would happen and that uncertainty would stunt any form of economic growth and probably throw Europe into a self perpetuating recession. (As each country, now lacking the free trade agreement, attempts to raise revenue by increasing import/export duty, they will drop, decreasing revenue, increasing cost of goods domestically etc).

With regards to the EU being democratic...it has improved a lot. We do now get to vote for an MEP.

The biggest issue with Europe is that the British media is so eurosceptic that it's no wonder that people hate it. However, ignorance is a very dangerous thing, especially if we have a referendum.