OMO Help me get out of london

[Tomor]

Originally Posted by Fallout

That'd be about 200k in my neck of the woods.

And the rest Si! semi-detached, 3 bed and a garage!!

[Littlepeahead]

Yeah Si but that's because you live there. Lowers the tone of the neighbourhood and house prices plummet.

Worked in London for a while, hated it. The Luftwaffe didn't do a good enough job on the place.

[Fallout]

Originally Posted by Tomor

And the rest Si! semi-detached, 3 bed and a garage!!

Same spec as my house which was less than £200k, young Thomas!

[timwilky]

I would be careful thinking learning Java, PHP MySQL will get you the job. I have 30+ years of software development behind me. Working for a large global company I now only see very little UK development. We have set up our own software "factory" in India.

The key to a career in software is to know your target deployment environment. I am by profession a Mechanical Engineer. Although I drifted into software all those years ago, I have always worked for engineering or R&D organisations. These days even though I occasionally do cut code, it is the value add that is in demand. Systems integration, end to end applications, project management.

You say you are from a financial background. Sell yourself as being the expert in that environment that knows software. You can get spotty urks that have attended the week course in the latest whizz bag development tool. But tell them to work on a tool for governance of derivatives trading and they would be completely lost.

Having learned java, you just know the language constructs and principles of object orientated design. You then need to do the difficult part and start to learn how to use/apply it. In my case it was understanding at the time J2EE, LDAP and JNDI, X509 certificates and PKI, struts and every new framework, design pattern that comes along. If you are targetting web deployment you then need to start to understand JSP, Servlets etc. That then takes you into application servers, Tomcat, Websphere Jboss etc. then you need to start with Apache, mod-jk. Suddenly you find that your customer want 3 tier architectures. You have to learn how to implement a MVC design, separation of business logic, data and static content etc. You then have to learn about security implications etc. FFS you only wanted to build a web app. In the real world there is a lot more.

If you are serious about wanting to code for your living. You could do a lot worse than learn a tool that has huge potential. Oracle Apex. I have seen some pretty good business applications starting to emerge from that environment.

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Littlepeahead

Well to give you an idea, this is a house in the next road to my mum in the village I grew up in. 10 minutes ride from Chelmsford, and 5 minutes ride from the A12. You get a lot for your money, and I could even send my nephews round to clean the bike if you moved in here.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-26611812.html

£235k....!!!

We've just bought a 3 bed detatched, gardens, garage and a view of the Nth Yorks Moors... £125k.

Get yourself up north lad.

[timwilky]

Bri

FFS shut up, it is these southerners with more money than sense that are inflating our house prices. I have one colleague that sold his london 3 bed semi house and gloated about having the brass to buy a 5 bedroom detach with money for the right holiday home.

Thanks Tim. That was the pointer to the next stage I was looking for too. I know that knowing the language alone would not get me a job in software, I was just unsure the sort of things I should be looking into.

You also say the code is produced in programming factories, but in order to tell them what to do, I need to be able to write the code myself, even if I don't actually write it.

I am more a portfolio analysis guy rather then trading governance. Big data, patterns and data modelling/mining. Getting more involved in the systems integration, well more workflow integration, the the achilles heel is its all VBA which is only used in finance as far as I can see.

Originally Posted by timwilky

I would be careful thinking learning Java, PHP MySQL will get you the job. I have 30+ years of software development behind me. Working for a large global company I now only see very little UK development. We have set up our own software "factory" in India.

There actually seems to be a shortage of decent Java developers at the moment. We've really been struggling to find good people, even at £60k (which seems to be around the going rate these days).

If anyone's interested, https://bskyb.taleo.net/careersectio...ftl?job=237720

Wyrdness, What about at the junior level. Would love to be going in at 60K, but in reality I know my @rse from my elbow but doubt I could convince someone that I can solve all their computer problems. I am actively looking now.