Record speed nut dies - from todays papers.

I have to agree with those sentiments.


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Originally Posted by Jelster

Riding motorcycles is a very selfish pastime. The chances of being involved in a serious accident are fairly high (no matter how good you are) and you may well leave dependants behind, as this guy did.

We all ride above the speed limit, and at this point we cannot judge if he was totally at fault, we weren't there so we couldn't tell. Riding a bike like a *nob will shorten your life, that's for sure but he knew the risks and so did his partner. It's a shame that he will never see his child grow up.

His partner may well hate hm for what he has done, but like I said, it's a selfish hobby. My wife and I have discussed this on numerous occasions and every time she says "I won't ask you not to ride, you enjoy it too much, just take care". I dare say his partner probably felt the same.

RIP fella, and condolences to those you left behind. At least you died doing what you enjoyed.

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i agree entirely Steve.

I read somewhere when i was first getting into bikes, that you are 45 times more likely to be seriously injured or killed riding a motorbike than you are in a car. If theres any truth in that particular stat, i dont know - but we all know, like you said, that the risks are inherently higher.

My friend who i saw die back in 2004, his wife was riding her bike, and she was the first bike on the scene after it had happened. She said afterwards, that she was glad she was there, as opposed to getting the dreaded knock on the door.

[timwilky]

I accept the danger of riding a motorcycle. Before I got back into biking I almost died because of stress related health problems. My wife would never ask me to give it up. However I am not that selfish either. If I was unfortunate enough to come a statistic, her income from provisions I have made would make her merrier than the merry widow

Don't critise bikers who die doing what they love. In the past 4 weeks there have been 3 fatal bike accidents within 3 miles of my home. 2 were very experienced bikers. One taken out by a car and the other by badly placed road signs. The 3rd being a sixteen yr old hit by a 19yr old who has since been charged with dangerous driving. I am sure all 3 knew the risk, accepted it and would not want their deaths to detract others from enjoying their bikes.

Originally Posted by timwilky

I accept the danger of riding a motorcycle. Before I got back into biking I almost died because of stress related health problems. My wife would never ask me to give it up. However I am not that selfish either. If I was unfortunate enough to come a statistic, her income from provisions I have made would make her merrier than the merry widow

Don't critise bikers who die doing what they love. In the past 4 weeks there have been 3 fatal bike accidents within 3 miles of my home. 2 were very experienced bikers. One taken out by a car and the other by badly placed road signs. The 3rd being a sixteen yr old hit by a 19yr old who has since been charged with dangerous driving. I am sure all 3 knew the risk, accepted it and would not want their deaths to detract others from enjoying their bikes.

Originally Posted by Jelster

We all ride above the speed limit, and at this point we cannot judge if he was totally at fault, we weren't there so we couldn't tell. Riding a bike like a *nob will shorten your life, that's for sure but he knew the risks and so did his partner.

True. We dont know what he was up to at the time of crash. He was shifting it though. And, you are right, I drive above the speed limit a lot of the time.

If you are clocking 155mph (or *way* over the limit) anything that happens is your fault. Its like driving drunk. Doesnt matter what it is, its your fault. And, you are quite likely to harm others if you lose it. I think thats where the line is drawn.
If you are essentially turning yourself into a 155 mph missile, well, find a track or something. Unless you are totally sure there is noone about. And, by totally sure, I mean have your mates out making sure and giving you a signal. A la Joey Dunlop when he was a youngfla.

Thie Welsh lad... I dunno. Of course its poxy for his family. Any death, by any means is. But, If I knew the facts of the incident (which, I dont) I would guess I probably have about as much sympathy for him as for some chav who is over the alc. limit, topping himself is his speeding chav mobile.
Sorry. Good luck with being dead and things. But, you are a muppet.

Again, this is true, but he wasn't doing 155 when he died, that was a previous conviction. My point, I think, is that "the witness" said his bike was "squealing". Maybe that's the impression she got with an IL4 in the red line. My fireblade tops out at about 75 in 1st.... Only just over the speed limit.

Witnesses like this have no real idea of what speed somebody is travelling. A high revving bike sounds twice as fast as it probably is actually going....

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Oh no, you are dead right. I am not really thinking about this squealing witness. I am more thinking about his history. If he was actually reefed doing 155, he is probably up to worse things than that. (I have never been reefed for speeding ...)

No, I am just looking at what he has done, and guessing about what he is likely to be doing at that moment. I mean, I dont know. I can only guess. I bet he was acting the maggot though.

And, saying all this, it breaks my heart. I dont want to think about this sort of thing. I want to just drive quickly, and safely, and not think about everyone else.
Its horrible. I am not saying its not totally horrible. But... yeah, like I said, there is just a line that you cross.

[Balky001]

No one actually knows if inappropriate speed was a factor in this accident do they? Those that cast the first stone............

RIP and I hope this guy rests easy if he was not at fault. If he was, leaving a child behind, maybe he was a muppet. But unless more detail are published, who knows?

The whole story,if it does nothing more than provoke debate and causes us to ocasionally examine our own behaviour and attitudes, in connection with all of the peripheral matters surrounding our own biking passion has served a purpose of value.

However trying to second guess the individual circumstances or rider in this particular case I believe is wrong.

[Balky001]

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

The whole story,if it does nothing more than provoke debate and causes us to ocasionally examine our own behaviour and attitudes, in connection with all of the peripheral matters surrounding our own biking passion has served a purpose of value.

However trying to second guess the individual circumstances or rider in this particular case I believe is wrong.

Yep