Petition concerning speeding fines for motorcyclists

[mattSV]

Originally Posted by lukemillar

Oh come on! Only innacurate when taking pictures of motorbikes?? I don't buy any of this b*ll*cks (it's same b*ll*cks they rant on about in MCN).

Bottom line -

We all ride bikes that go fast and enjoy doing so. Either don't get caught or take it on the chin when you do.

The petition is not about removing speed limits for motorcycles - it is about ensuring the technology used to check the speed of bikes is accurate - I fail to see what is ******** about that .

I have no issue with getting done fairly and squarely.

The onus is on the police to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were exceeding the speed limit. If they tell you that you have exceeded the speed limit via a NIP then most people will just accept it and 'take it on the chin'.

I want to ensure that if/when I am caught, that they have used detectors which have been tested on motorcycles and proved to be accurate, so I know that if they tell me I was doing 43 mph in a 40 limit then it is a true and accurate statement.

Independent tests so far have shown that on occasions some of the detectors used are not always accurate. As a principle I do not think that is right to be prosecuted using evidence that may not be accurate so I have signed the petition.

Bottom line - if you are happy to get done by potentially faulty or unproven technology then don't sign it.

Perhaps we should have a poll on who believes that speed limits are useful and should be enforced.

Originally Posted by lukemillar

Oh come on! Only innacurate when taking pictures of motorbikes?? I don't buy any of this b*ll*cks (it's same b*ll*cks they rant on about in MCN).

& oh look - petition submitted by "Chris Newbigging of Emap Automotive" - so someone from the motorcycling press. quiet news day was it Chris?

Originally Posted by jonboy

Can anyone hear some sheep baa-ing?

The government is (in theory) an elected body to do our bidding, and if the majority of voters don't want speed cameras then they ought to go. As for riding at an appropriate speed, how dare you be so damned patronizing. Appropriate to what? to the speeds set by some spotty herbert who's a Guardian reading cyclist? Thank you, but no — what I deem appropriate is based on years of motoring experience.


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off topic, but what a strange world you live in Jonboy! Government that do our bidding, lol.

Funnily enough I was having a conversation about speed limits with a friend of mine, who road has just been fitted with road bumps (apparently now called Cushions, or Speed Calmers - lol). Anyway, he's all for these things in his street, but can't see the point in putting them on other 30mph limits. Which sums up the UK drivers prospective to speeding... "not outside my house, but elsewhere is ok"

As to the idea of you knowing better than anyone else.. I don't agree. have you got the accident information for all the roads you ride on? do you know where on each road people have crashed, how many pedestrians have been killed on that stretch? The whole point of Transport office in each council etc, is so they can take all of this into affect. If everyone thought they knew best ignored the mandatory limits, and drove accordingly I suspect we'd have far more accidents.

Apparently you can question why a specific speed limit was set on any road with the controlling council, but I suspect you'll get Carebear / politically correct twaddle as a response.

As a petition started by MCN, well, in my book they're the toilet tabloid of the biking world. How many stories have they written over the years, talking about xxx group looking to or considering make xxx rule law... they just make up stories, to get a reaction, and then publish a followup saying how they've got xxx group to back down on xxx policy. When in fact they usually get the "we had no intention of implementing xxx policy" response to their half factual rabble rousing.

Yes I'm having one of those days

Originally Posted by jonboy

and if the majority of voters don't want speed cameras then they ought to go.

I guess the majority of people have enough common sense to see that speed limits are needed and need to be enforced. It's the minority that do the loudest complaining creating the false illusion that they represent the majority.

Originally Posted by AlanSv

As a petition started by MCN, well, in my book they're the toilet tabloid of the biking world.

"The Sun" of the biking world?
Imagine if "The Sun" and MCN got together we could have headlines such as:

"Brussels tells UK - Tax law abiding UK citizens with speed cameras to pay for scrounging illegal immigrants."

Lol, haven't people got all het up?

If you have never ever gone over a speed limit then you can sit there all smug as you want, but the speed camera's haven't actually been tested against bikes so you could still get a speeding ticket. Will you be happy to take it on the chin then? somehow I doubt it.

If you don't want to sign it, then don't, really it is that simple. Signing it might help, you knever know so quit having a go at people trying to make a difference, a little difference is better than not making the effort in the first place.

Originally Posted by cmit37

"Brussels tells UK - Tax law abiding UK citizens with speed cameras to pay for scrounging illegal immigrants."

I think I've seen that one already lol

Kate, don't get me wrong, they should have sufficient testing, but this type of story tends to bring out the "abolish speed cameras because I don't want to get caught speeding " brigade.

But I do not believe in the good intentions of this petition.

[mattSV]

Originally Posted by cmit37

But I do not believe in the good intentions of this petition.

Then don't sign it

why is it only for bikes? & not cars?