Chains

hahaha good ol mathematics, yeah certainly not 0.9 out of 10

however i was referring to secret option c) - in the 9s and 10s out of 10

[northwind]

Sold Secure, Thatcham and ART are all pointless for chains IMO- when the codes were written none of the three believed a portable chain could beat large manual crops, so they didn't include it Just stuff like impact resistance and resistance to embrittlement, and lock quality. Though even then, there's nothing in Sold Secure or Thatcham about bumpable locks (which is a complete joke, since only a fundamentally rubbish lock design can be bumped), and all 3 still allowed the famous biro-locks 6 months after that was publically outed.

Incidentally, there's a 14mm chain out there which is overhardened to be close to impossible to cut with manual croppers- think it was an English Chain Co, or possibly a Mammoth. It was very vulnerable to impact attacks though (sledgehammer)

yeah, so you still stick with your original choice of Almax for a chain?

I'll be off to uni, and god knows the number of feckers around the place trying to nab anything they can. Want to make sure as much as possible that my bike wont get knicked. Gonna fit a cyclon advanced alarm and i've got two brake disc locks and a chain (but they were cheap as)

If i can get it secure as possible the only problem then will be the swines just giving it a good booting in of a drunken evening

theres some bashtards out there

AT times a cheap chain is as good as an expensive chain. Opportunist thieves are the most common bike thieves and a decent chain will put them off and send them on to an easier target.

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Heed

AT times a cheap chain is as good as an expensive chain. Opportunist thieves are the most common bike thieves and a decent chain will put them off and send them on to an easier target.

I pretty much agree with that... There's no chain that I really consider portable enough to use all the time, and once you step back from the really good, massive chains they're all much of a muchness- that's why I use such an awful one. It's easier to just go and find another bike

Almax vote here too

If you want to know why, saunter over to visordown. Do a search for a user called "Zanx", find one of his posts and look in his signature. Theres links to him cropping pretty much most major locks/chains scarily easily and quickly - and we are talking about insurance approved stuff here too. The guy basically tests these things and will generally only recommend almax simply because they are the hardest to crop/break.

Also bear in mind, its not good getting a really expensive chain and putting a cheap lock on it. You need to make sure the lock itself cant be broken.

But as northwind and heed say, if you need it as a deterrant from opportunist theives any lock/chain will do and that will work most of the time. However, you have to remember its hardly a deterrant when a simple bolt crop can get through some of the chains/locks in seconds compared to say a 20 minute drive to another location for a similar bike.

Originally Posted by Heed

AT times a cheap chain is as good as an expensive chain. Opportunist thieves are the most common bike thieves and a decent chain will put them off and send them on to an easier target.

A few years ago a magazine tested disc locks, like they do from time to time. They bought a load of really expensive ones to demonstrate what sort of protection you can get, and some really cheap things to show how crap some are. When they did the tests they found the best lock of the lot was a ten quid cheapie Ming Tay job from China. After that I bought two and had a hell of a job getting one of mine off my own bike when I lost the keys.

[northwind]

Originally Posted by lynw

If you want to know why, saunter over to visordown. Do a search for a user called "Zanx", find one of his posts and look in his signature.

I used to think Zanx was a bit of a fanatic, til I found the Almax stand at a bike show which had a load of chains and a pair of croppers. That was fun Oxford had a huge display of their products, Amax had a folding table, a bin and a set of croppers, guess who won?

Originally Posted by northwind

I used to think Zanx was a bit of a fanatic, til I found the Almax stand at a bike show which had a load of chains and a pair of croppers. That was fun Oxford had a huge display of their products, Amax had a folding table, a bin and a set of croppers, guess who won?

Well, there's a reason I spent one tenth of the value of my actual bike on an Almax..........

what would be recommended for a uni environment, they're known for their thieving

an almax then?

ive got a cheap chain but i dont feel confident in it to protect me nice new bike ive saved up for. I suppose if i buy a sturdy chain at least if it was to goet knicked, i know i couldnt have done much more to prevent it

cheers