Increased Taser usage questions

Originally Posted by Grinch

No need to tazer him, he tazers himself.

Scoobs' tazering



Anyway I heard that they are giving the go ahead to taser 12yr olds.

Originally Posted by Kinvig

why? Are the rozzers always tasering him????

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=67069

If a copper points a taser at me, thats it maties, I'm gonna drop to the floor with my hands behind my back quicker than you can say "yyyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh!!! !"

I do not want to be electrocuted, no way.

Matt

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

No, you arrest him for breaching the peace, infliction of summary violence with the police as judge, jury and executioner ain't the answer.

Yeah, but Judge Dredd was the ULTIMATE bike-cop.

I'd join up if I could have a Lawmaster

And a Lawgiver

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

And here we get the debate part I'm a confessed liberal lefty so you probably know what's coming

Here, I'm actually tempted to agree with you.

No, you arrest him for breaching the peace, infliction of summary violence with the police as judge, jury and executioner ain't the answer.

Ahh, the old "if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear" line. The police occasionally make mistakes, everyone does. Ask Jean Charles de-Menezes. Oh wait, you can't.

See, in the nicest possible way, I sincerly hope that no-one with that view is ever allowed in the police. That's the way they police in Zimbabwe. (EDIT: And if there are a significant number of people in the police force with that view then I really don't want the police carrying more weapons)


I actually do kinda think that we have reached a stage where every police officer carries tasers, I just want to make damn sure that they're used only when necessary and not just because someone's being a bit gobby.

Arresting him wont teach him a lesson as our far too liberal country will just tell him off for being a naughty boy and he will go away laughing, it will also waste the polices time while they fill in paper work and spend time in custody over some little waste of time boy, when they could be better employed. It could be delt with there and then by teaching the little sod a lesson with the tazer. If him and his mates know the police wont take them being stupid etc they wont hang around, would you? I am not saying it’s the first thing that should be done but it would make a better response to a waste of time arrest.
But then you would get the lefty’s winging about civil liberties.

The nothing to hide line is correct, and yes the police will make mistakes, but on the whole if you are not doing anything wrong then would you really get to the stage where a Tazer can be used? Also in some cases the Tazar makes more sense and prevents fatal consequences of using guns. I would rather see a bloke tazered for messing around with a toy replica than being shot, I am sure you would as well.

My other comments were a bit tongue in cheek. However I do thing the UK has got to the point where something really does need to be done to sort out the state of our country. And no one can ever convince me other than the cause being the slow erosion of discipline at home, school and else where. All topped off with the more and more liberal stance the people in power take on things. What sort of deterrents are there for people when they know that the most they will get is a talking to or some poxy little fine etc.

The evidence is there in history, as the UK has become more liberal and let the discipline slide away the social problems have escalated. More trouble with teens, and youth, more crime and the biggest prison population in Europe!! Coincidence I don’t think so! And the solutions have always been reactive where they need to concentrate on proactive deterrents to crime and anti social disorder.

The Police do a job that involves bad people on a daily basis. I would give them all to protect themselves from the bad guys.

They do a job that we should thank them for...not critical over a new weapon which has the ability to protect the public.

If scumbags don't like it...who cares. Human rights are for victims too.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by neio79

.....blah blah.... I support their use 100%, as if you are a good citizen then you have nothing to fear from the police having them..... blah de blah.

Here we go again MiniMatt has pretty much said word for word what i thought of your post but i have to remark about this nonsensical belief people have.

Clearly you mate are in the military so are suceptable to brain washing in a major way. Please dont take that as an attack at you...anyone who joins the forces or police has to be that way. You wont get far if you cant conform and follow orders properly andmake up your own rules about how you do your job.

However you do still have the right and ability to think for yourself before regurgitating this kinda crap from the mouth of politicians, surley!!!

No system or person is infalable, no innocent peson should believe they are "untouchable" just cos they are innocent.

If the cops, or others, think you are guilty then thats it. And making them jude, jury and executioner is just plain wrong.

Slowly slowly our freedoms as citizens are eroded away and replaced by stupid soundbites like the "if youre innocent you have nothing to fear nonsense".
Poor old Jean-Charles paid with his innocent life to make you fools understand that aint true yet day after day sheep who cant or wont think for themselves spout this cr*p like its a true fact.

Maybe by saying ti enough they are convincing (read fooling) themselves but it sure as hell aint fooling those people who have their eyes open on these matters.

Bring back the death sentence too & birch too for anti-social behaviour; stick ASBO's up your @r5e

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Cloggsy

Bring back the death sentence too & birch too for anti-social behaviour; stick ASBO's up your @r5e

Give a bad kid a few slaps when he's young enough and he may grow out of his anti-social ways, leave it too late and whatever you do is just guaranteed to bring more violence back to you.

Why do you think younger and younge kids are stabbing and shooting each other on a daily basis? You cant be "street" and get dissed like that in front of your crew, so you goes home and get your best weapon to save face.

Like the old Untouchables line... They bring a knife, you bring a gun. They put one of yours in hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue. Sadly i think thats what the attitude on the streets is and if you go fighting it with force now you're only asking for more trouble in return.

Personaly i'd make jails hell to be in. No electronic nothing. Meagre rations that can be withdrawn as punishment. No reduction in sentances for "good behaviour" rather an increas in sentances for failing to toe the line.

How can any young offender fear jail if its better than home? They get to share a cell with "mates" from the streets and have better access to TV / playstations/porn than they do at home. Yeh, great deterant that is.

Harsh and long prison sentances are the key i think. Make prison the ultimate threat and ensure those who get sent there are sent after a fair trial. yes there will still be miscarriages of justice but like i said in a previous post no system is infalable.

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Here we go again MiniMatt has pretty much said word for word what i thought of your post but i have to remark about this nonsensical belief people have.

Clearly you mate are in the military so are suceptable to brain washing in a major way. Please dont take that as an attack at you...anyone who joins the forces or police has to be that way. You wont get far if you cant conform and follow orders properly andmake up your own rules about how you do your job.

However you do still have the right and ability to think for yourself before regurgitating this kinda crap from the mouth of politicians, surley!!!

No system or person is infalable, no innocent peson should believe they are "untouchable" just cos they are innocent.

If the cops, or others, think you are guilty then thats it. And making them jude, jury and executioner is just plain wrong.

Slowly slowly our freedoms as citizens are eroded away and replaced by stupid soundbites like the "if youre innocent you have nothing to fear nonsense".
Poor old Jean-Charles paid with his innocent life to make you fools understand that aint true yet day after day sheep who cant or wont think for themselves spout this cr*p like its a true fact.

Maybe by saying ti enough they are convincing (read fooling) themselves but it sure as hell aint fooling those people who have their eyes open on these matters.

You are right I am in the military (and very proud to be so); however I don’t think I have been brain washed at all. Yes we have to do things for a reason and do things when we are told for a reason. But I like you probably understand the reasons for that, cos there will be cases where not doing as you are told when you are told to do it will get people killed. The army always has encouraged free thinking and individually. It does not want robots, but people who can think for themselves as well as understand and respect the need for discipline and authority (something I think is lacking in the main within this country) I on the other hand do feel sorry for lefty liberal’s who cant quite grasp the need for at least some form of discipline in life, or the fact that people should deal with the consequences of their unlawful actions rather than trying to blame some stupid thing that happened in their past that caused them to act the way they did.

I do understand that mistakes will be made, but what do the lefty liberals propose as a solution to the ever growing rise in social disorder, lack of respect for others and the rules and laws of this land? You can not tell me that the loss of things like proper discipline at home and schools has not lead to the increase in anti social disorder along with the lack of punishment dished out for committing crime leading to people thinking they can get away with it.

I don’t agree with the erosion of our freedoms, if anything it has gone the other way with dire consequences to the point now that the law seems to look after the perpetrator more than the victim, in any ones eyes that is wrong.

I make no apologies for my views over the state of the UK and the ways I believe it should be addressed, I think that if any one has been brain washed it is the liberal lefty’s who believe the sh*t that is spouted about how we should respect the criminal and make them feel all loved and wanted, trying to understand why they done it etc blah blah.

Yes I agree that the Brazilian getting shot was really bad, hence my comment that would you not have preferred to see him tazared instead? I am sure he would have as well.

But neither of us were there so can’t really comment, but I assume he was given good clear warnings to stop running etc. And I don’t think the officer who shot him should be held responsible as he was probably doing as he was trained ( you might call t it brain washing) The Army have similar rules of engagement and the big get out clause is that if you thought your life or anyone else’s was in imminent danger then deadly force can be used. (Although I have to admit that would be very hard to prove if he was running away).