Petrol tax rise

[arc123]

http://www.foe.co.uk/pubsinfo/briefi...102081826.html

Plenty of reasons there...

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

london

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

public transport is useable

Maybe better, but it's not what I'd call useable!

P.s. I think that if someone can afford to buy an expensive 4x4, they can afford to pay the petrol. Ahem, not saying they *should* have to pay that much - what I mean is, it won't affect them - it'll affect the people who already have to look out for their economy (of fuel).

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I like the london transport system to be honest, if I'm in london for any length of time I park my car at stanmore and use the underground on an all zones ticket for £12 a day or whatever it is now. You can pretty much get anywhere on the tube and if you cant then you can get there fairly reliably on the buses above ground.

If i lived in london i would not pay that everyday though ......it would have to be 100% bike travel.

Originally Posted by arc123

http://www.foe.co.uk/pubsinfo/briefi...102081826.html

Plenty of reasons there...

Alot of those reasons seem laughable to me.

2. Motorists Should Pay the Full Cost of Driving

Road lobbyists don't reveal that the £26 billion tax taken from motorists is far less than the estimated £44- 51 billion which road transport costs the environment, economy and society. The £44-51 billion figure was calculated by leading environmental economists in 1994 prices.

Way to pull a completely unimpartial figure out of their @rse. I doubt the £26bn includes the VAT the government earns (or rather steals) on vehicle purchases, or on all the other taxes paid by people (income tax, corperation tax etc) who've used their car to make the government money.

Directly comparing taxation and expenditure like the evil road lobyists have done seems fair to me.

3. Lower Fuel Taxes Mean More Traffic

Yes, as we can see as fuel taxes rise the number of cars on our roads is plumeting.

5. It Would Leave Less Money for Public Transport

Hahahahahahah. Right. So how many decades have motorists had to put up with tax increases to "to pay for improved public transport" with no discernable improvements? Seriously, that jokes getting old, it's not funny anymore.

Right lets cut the cr*p about the fuel duty being put there to put off people to using their cars and for the environment. its pure and simple a nice easy thing to tax as 99% of people use it and will still use it even when it goes up.

Whoever said there is viable alternatives, load of utter bull, try living out side a city and see if you think that. You would have to change your jobs to the hours of about 10-3 max to ensure you could get a bus to and from work. If it was to encourage more public transport use, surley they should be opening up more train stations adding bus routes.

Rural public transport isa joke and having a car Is the best way to get about. The case for it puts off Chelsea tractors is ar*e as well. If you can afford a £50K car are you really going to worry about an extra couple of £ per tank to fill it? No you are not, same goes for the tax going up to £400 for them as well.

Really bottom line is its done cos we will whinge about it but cant live with out fuel and so the government knows they can get away with it as conveniently they have not given anyone an alternative. Partly because they sold off all the public transport to private operators who are only interested in profit and wont add un profitable routes in the places that need it should it really become too expensive to use a car.

Bring on the protests.

Oh and the governmet wont care cos do you really think they pay for their own fuel

[timwilky]

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

Because private transport is a complete luxury and complete bollox

My mother got her OAP pass through the post a few months ago. She has not used it as she doesn't fancy walking the 4 miles to the nearest bus stop.

Buses do run where I live, but not at nights or weekends. The advertised railtime to get to my office in Knutsford (40 miles away) for a 7:30 start is over 7 hours and involves me catching the last bus from my home to preston the night before and sleeping for 5 hours on Piccadilly railway station.

Can someone please explain the concept of pubic transport as I don't understand it.

Originally Posted by neio79

Right lets cut the cr*p about the fuel duty being put there to put off people to using their cars and for the environment. its pure and simple a nice easy thing to tax as 99% of people use it and will still use it even when it goes up.

Whoever said there is viable alternatives, load of utter bull, try living out side a city and see if you think that. You would have to change your jobs to the hours of about 10-3 max to ensure you could get a bus to and from work. If it was to encourage more public transport use, surley they should be opening up more train stations adding bus routes.

Rural public transport isa joke and having a car Is the best way to get about. The case for it puts off Chelsea tractors is ar*e as well. If you can afford a £50K car are you really going to worry about an extra couple of £ per tank to fill it? No you are not, same goes for the tax going up to £400 for them as well.

Really bottom line is its done cos we will whinge about it but cant live with out fuel and so the government knows they can get away with it as conveniently they have not given anyone an alternative. Partly because they sold off all the public transport to private operators who are only interested in profit and wont add un profitable routes in the places that need it should it really become too expensive to use a car.

Bring on the protests.

Oh and the governmet wont care cos do you really think they pay for their own fuel

The government might not have been making a profit from trains when they were running them, but that doesn't mean they were any more competant at running a cheap and/or efficient service.

Aside from that, I agree completely. As you point out in your last sentance, the greedy bastids that are screwing us out of our money won't have to pay it themselves either, which is particularly enraging.

[JediGoat]

If you want to find out where the cheapest petrol is nearest to you, these guys do all the checking, and prices are updated regularly. You can even have it emailled to you.

http://www.petrolprices.com/

Jo

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

The government might not have been making a profit from trains when they were running them, but that doesn't mean they were any more competant at running a cheap and/or efficient service.

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very true, but now they have not got control over them they have less power to add more services, so cant use it as a sweetener to convince people to use the train, bus etc.

If they had the power to add route we could at leads lobby them to come up with the goods when they say yeah use public transport its great!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by kwak zzr

diesel that was, unleaded was 97.9 ppl

Cooking oil is only about 49ppl so just mix that 50/50 with your diesel.