Menezes health and safety hearing

Not wanting to be one for conspriacies (hehe whatever ) go to www.prisonplanet.com there's alot more to this story than you imagine that doesn't get reported.

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Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

While I'd agree with your sentiment I don't think it's applicable to this situation.

The police were following him along time before he got anywhere near the tube. So they blew the brains out of someone who they thought was innocent, or they let a suspected bomber get onto the tube. Either way the police displayed monumental incompetance and need to be disciplined for it.

Yeah when you consider it that way I agree with that.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I work next to a police range. They practice their firing fully automatic... I can't work out why. THey do 4 days training a week - and that's just Gwent police

Gwent police have a firearms division? I didn't even realise they had police. I thought they just had ***ts in police uniforms that operated scamera vans?

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

Gwent police have a firearms division? I didn't even realise they had police. I thought they just had ***ts in police uniforms that operated scamera vans?

That's just childish..

The fact that the guy was in the UK illegally should never be entered as any kind of justification for what happened here.

As FS mentioned, the guy was followed from the house where the Police knew a terrorist lived. They observed him leaving the property. Why oh why did they simply not aprehend him as he came out of the property as opposed to obliterating him in a train carriage full of other innocent passengers? Surely making their presence known to him out in a street would have been a much better percentage option? They were staking out the house, so to place officers in suitable positions to avoid him escaping, surely would have been a simple matter.

Their actions stink of dreadfull comunication,observation skills and a high degree of lynch mob mentality for supposedly highly trained professionals.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by timwilky

Now for the part to upset the PC brigade. This guy was here illegally. He failed to respond to an order. If he had done as he should and gone home when his visa expired he would still be alive. Let this be a lesson to all. You break the law, there is a chance that extreme force may be used against you.

OK, this myth needs to be squashed also. His original 6 month visa had expired......HOWEVER he had applied for and been granted a work permit while his application for an extended visa was being deal with.
I wish you attitude of expecting extreme force to be used against you if you are a criminal was one that criminals also had. Sadly its the innocent public who time and time again get the dirty end of this stick while real criminals get away with street robberies left and right.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Not wanting to be one for conspriacies (hehe whatever ) go to www.prisonplanet.com there's alot more to this story than you imagine that doesn't get reported.

Great site, i read it a bit from time to time. Please can i have a link for JCDM as i cant seem to find it on there myself.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Their actions stink of dreadfull comunication,observation skills and a high degree of lynch mob mentality for supposedly highly trained professionals.

I dont actualy blame the guys who pulled the triggers. The did what they THOUGHT had to be done. The senior officers who gave the orders in this situation need to face criminal prosecution and face jail time for their actions tho.

Even the guy who first jumped on Jean Charles didnt expect the armed response to be behind him let alone fire at the target. Thats the evidence he has given recently. Furthermore he himself was dragged off the train by another armed cop who leveld his MP5 at the guys chest and held him against a wall while the guy tried to explain that he too was police.

Criminal lack of respect for human life at best, incopteance beyond belief by senior commanders at worst. The senior commanders should be in the dock as they have a lot to answer for.

infowars is great too
http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Aug05/...s_cover_up.htm
Another of Alex Jones sites.

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Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

The police were following him along time before he got anywhere near the tube, so if he was a bomber they let him onto the tube anyway. In the end, they blew the brains out of someone who they thought was innocent, or they let a suspected bomber get onto the tube.

Bingo... If he'd been a suicide bomber he would have succeeded. When he was killed he'd already passed through several crowded areas and travelled on a bus while being pursued, and when they caught him he would have had more than enough time to detonate any device he'd had on him.

He was suspected of wanting to carnival. Not under labour he won't! No fun for anyone! Now get back to work, Gordon wants a new red tie.

This whole thing get me really angry. Just because he didnt stop doesn't give anyone the right to blow him away, there were also unmarked officers.

This may be simplistic but someone here has got to take responsiblity, because if the police are to contiune to use guns (which i think they should be able to) someone has got to be responsible for every shot fired. Putting this down as a mistake IMHO is unaccepatable, I know humans make mistakes but when it comes to life a death its not really good enough.