Electric Vehicles

[Luckypants]

Can we agree that no car achieves it's WLTP range / mpg figures, no matter the fuel? Those are lab results. If so, nothing will meet claimed range.

In which case, I would not dispute that real world ranges are less than that advertised but like many things it depends on how advertised range was worked out (not all test cycles are equal) and driving style. I'd be very surprised if an i-Pace is only getting 150 miles on a full charge if driven normally.

My own experience is that I'm getting 80-95% of the claimed range of my ID.4, driving normally. (around 270-290 miles) I see many folks on the electric Mii and e-UP! forums getting in excess of the 160 mile claimed range. I see e-Tron drivers getting well below the WLTP, but don't care as it charges so fast. Tesla drivers regularly state over 300 miles on a charge. I guess it depends if you are following a pro-EV media or an anti-EV media.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

The latest real life range figures on BEV ranges make bad reading, they seem to be getting 60% of range claimed by car makers - even the Jag i-Pace only getting 150 miles.

Surprise, surprise !

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

The latest real life range figures on BEV ranges make bad reading, they seem to be getting 60% of range claimed by car makers - even the Jag i-Pace only getting 150 miles.

Originally Posted by svenrico

Surprise, surprise !

...I never achieved the mpg figures of the cars I bought either. Nothing has changed.

I think one assumption we make about electric cars is that everyone that owns an ICE car will buy an electric car. I think prices will be too high for that and the government will push people towards public transport instead.

[redtrummy]

I think one assumption we make about electric cars is that everyone that owns an ICE car will buy an electric car. I think prices will be too high for that and the government will push people towards public transport instead. __________________


I agree - Covid permitting!


I really think there is a role for a stripped back no frills, small basic and cheap electric car. Thinking back to when a friend had a Bond 3 wheeler with the Villiers engine mounted over the front wheel. No heater as such, no reverse but it could turn in around in its own diameter, and about 250 miles between something needing attenion! Fun days.

Not that I am advocating anything quite so extreme.

[SV650rules]

Take a BEV anywhere near a motorway and range plummets, range figures are done at 50mph. There is as much power in gallon of petrol ( 25KWh ) as in the first Nissan Leaf battery that would get you 60 miles on a good day. BEV are good for local knocking around as better than ICE in traffic - but mega expensive as a 'second car' to go shopping. People are hooked on personal transport, and unless everyone moves back into city living then the transport system outside big towns and cities is patchy - and expensive. To think people will go back to buses and trains is not understanding human nature.

[svenrico]

My motorbike is currently showing around 67 mpg on the dash display if that is anything to go by !

[Luckypants]

My BEV is doing 120 MPGe thanks.

There may be 25kWh of energy in a gallon of petrol, I haven't checked but will take your word... However reciprocating engines are extremely inefficient and even the best only turn 25% of that into useful power. So electric motors are over 90% efficient, hence less need for hundreds of kWh in the "tank".

[Luckypants]

[SV650rules]

Now all that is needed is a reliable power supply to Rugby... bad news is that for last 6 weeks+ wind has been loafing off ( <5% ) and also Solar does not work in the dark.

[garynortheast]

I think someone posted a link or a picture about this which claimed the batteries were too expensive to replace resulting in the scrapping of a fleet of electric cars. This article contains the correct facts.
https://fullfact.org/online/electric...DqZWP1M1oGe9bQ