Leave the UK?

[Biker Biggles]

The Devout and Veangeful Party.

Originally Posted by Bear

Ok, so I don't annoy Sean with facts and figures, here's my feelings on the matter which will obviously please him more...

The reason that the BNP has this irritating racist appearance is because it is an institutionally racist organisation. It may well be that the leaders of it wish to dispell this myth, but many of it's members do not. I am speaking from personal experience here as some members of my extended family are in the BNP and are a bunch of racist f*ckwits. This is not an image problem that can simply be swept under the carpet. An organisation that contains a majority of racist members will inherently be a racist organisation.

As for your assertions (In the face of contrary evidence) that immigration is a drain on this country because people don't spend all their money here: Balls. The same applies for anyone who puts money into a bank account and doesn't spend it all every month.

The solutions offered for unemployment: why don't we just go the whole hog and introduce forced labor camps? That'd get them off the streets, then maybe, since WE don't want the immigrants, and their countries don't either, it'd probably just be humane to put them out of their misery, that'd be a solution. The final solution. Of course, with all this forced labour, we could sort a lot of the problems out with the country. The trains would run on time for starters...

Now, were did I put my stupid little moustache and swept over hair...

Insisting that your feelings are more important than trivial facts that contradict them makes no sense at all.

The statement that should obviously apply to all posts, but sometimes needs to be stated so people don't accuse you of being the PC police for having a different opinion to them: All of what is written here is purely MY OPINION. You are entitled to yours, I am entitled to mine. If you post something on a public board that others may disagree with, expect people to disagree and don't take it personally.

Ok, so, in your opinion then, because i agree with the policies that the BNP have, i am a racist ****wit? If i was to go out tomorrow and cast my vote for the BNP it would instantly make me a racist ****wit? I'm not trying to be argumentative here but that really makes no sense at all. I understand that they have a racist image, and as i said in my post, if they could shed that image, then maybe more people would take them more seriously.

I agree with all people having their opinions and believe me, i don't take it personally. What i do take personally, however, is when people think my opinion means less than theirs because they have "facts and statistics" (for which i am still waiting for a link to a credible source), and all i have to offer is personal experience. It can't be that i am making it all up, as i am not the only one here who shares my opinions. They must have the same clear spectacles on as I.

As for coming across as obnoxious, yes i do and sometimes i am, only because i have trouble expressing my views without getting passionate about certain things. Whichever way you look at it, our great country is in the sh!t. The cause(s) of this state is obviously a great debate. I have to agree with Pedro on this being one of the best discussions this forum has seen yet and i thank the moderators for letting us have our say without closing it. I understand that it is a controversial thread and people get heated as they have strong feelings towards what our country is and what it should be.

Sean

So are we agreed that by and large, the problems now faced in the UK are by and large an indication of..."you reap what you sew?" How can the situation be turned around,(that is not a leading question to brow beat you into pledging your vote with CRAP)

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

So are we agreed that by and large, the problems now faced in the UK are by and large an indication of..."you reap what you sew?" How can the situation be turned around,(that is not a leading question to brow beat you into pledging your vote with CRAP)

A-bomb or the like? Then start from scratch.

Having been around in the 40's 50's and 60's take it from me this country
was a much better place to live and work in then, than it is now!

Something has gone wrong and I think this thread contains the answer
to the question.

[Spanner Man]

Originally Posted by sarah

A-bomb or the like? Then start from scratch.

Evening all.
But wouldn't that take out all the Pink Fluffy do-gooders too? SHOCK HORROR!! I thought you would want it to take out only those with an opinion different to yours!

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Balddood

Whichever way you look at it, our great country is in the sh!t. The cause(s) of this state is obviously a great debate.

My feeling is the country isnt in the sh!t. Personally I think it comes down to each individual to educated/re-educated themselves in order to benefit from how it is today. If you want to see change in the country I think it comes down to changing oneself. The way you think. The opportunities you see. They are still there - just not in the place you were looking for them 10/20 years ago... Why change the world when all you need to do is change one person.

Originally Posted by sarah

A-bomb or the like? Then start from scratch.

Originally Posted by Spanner Man

Evening all.
But wouldn't that take out all the Pink Fluffy do-gooders too? SHOCK HORROR!! I thought you would want it to take out only those with an opinion different to yours!

Cheers.

I was being facetioius.

Surely a tree-hugging, guardian-reading, fluffy pink liberal leftie do-gooder like me couldn't condone stuff like bombs.

Originally Posted by Gmonsta

My feeling is the country isnt in the sh!t. Personally I think it comes down to each individual to educated/re-educated themselves in order to benefit from how it is today. If you want to see change in the country I think it comes down to changing oneself. The way you think. The opportunities you see. They are still there - just not in the place you were looking for them 10/20 years ago... Why change the world when all you need to do is change one person.

What an interesting and thought-provoking point to make.

[Spanner Man]

Originally Posted by sarah

I was being facetioius.

Surely a tree-hugging, guardian-reading, fluffy pink liberal leftie do-gooder like me couldn't condone stuff like bombs.

So was I!
But if I'd known that you were a Guardian reader, I'd have said BOMB THE WHALE & be done with it!........Now that's being Facetious

Cheers.