Office conversation

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

Ah damn, you really want an answer!

Well, I guess in truth, there really is no such thing as nothing. Something must have been before, possible a rather small and infinetly dense blip of energy. Quantum fluctuations (random, of course!) caused an inhomogenity in the energy blip which caused its "explosion" and therefore the period of great expansion, during which matter (and antimetter) where created (an anhilated). We only say theres nothing when our instruments cant detect something (limits of detection) and we only say theres nothing before the universe because it probably isnt something we can comprehend, sorta like we couldnt imagine a shape with dimensions higher than our common three (unless your very very strange)

That better?

Matt

Trying much too hard See above.

I also like using the "So if God created everything, that implies that everything has a cause, because God caused it to happen. So what caused God to come into existence? Surely if there is a non-divine cause for God existing, perhaps, everything else wasn't by divine intervention?"

But that's mainly to wind people up, and a pre-cursor to the "what is nothing?" question.

Originally Posted by Baph

What is nothing?

Discuss (or just ignore me ).

That space inbetween Scoobs ears...

Next.

Originally Posted by Baph

Trying much too hard See above.

I also like using the "So if God created everything, that implies that everything has a cause, because God caused it to happen. So what caused God to come into existence? Surely if there is a non-divine cause for God existing, perhaps, everything else wasn't by divine intervention?"

But that's mainly to wind people up, and a pre-cursor to the "what is nothing?" question.

Your like my lecturers! Not enough detail, or too much!!!!

I'm sticking with the noodles theory. Why else would chinese food and pasta meals taste so good if they where not the food of god

I do agree, the failing of god is "where did he come from"? On holiday from a paralell universe, decided that "hey, its alright here! I'll start my own little universe!"

Of course, we could all be living in a computer-genarated world ourself, hence thats how we got here. We could just be code

Ok, maybe not

Matt

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

Of course, we could all be living in a computer-genarated world ourself, hence thats how we got here. We could just be code

Ok, maybe not

Matt

If we are, I'mma start hacking. If the entire environment around us is code, I'm sure it'll have a flaw somewhere that allows arbitary execution...

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

Ah damn, you really want an answer!

Well, I guess in truth, there really is no such thing as nothing. Something must have been before, possible a rather small and infinetly dense blip of energy. Quantum fluctuations (random, of course!) caused an inhomogenity in the energy blip which caused its "explosion" and therefore the period of great expansion, during which matter (and antimetter) where created (an anhilated). We only say theres nothing when our instruments cant detect something (limits of detection) and we only say theres nothing before the universe because it probably isnt something we can comprehend, sorta like we couldnt imagine a shape with dimensions higher than our common three (unless your very very strange)

That better?

Matt

Hey Matt - you can answer your own "Where does god come from" question with your previous post.

"God" was the "rather small and infinetly dense blip of energy".

When he died/exploded, he created the universe.

Therefore, God died to create us, and we are all part of God.

Wow - I could make a religion of this..................

I think you'll find I answered your question perfectly well on the first page...






... you just couldn't see it of course

`Tis a strange place, this Limbo !--not a Place,
Yet name it so ;--where Time & weary Space
Fettered from flight, with night-mair sense of fleeing,
Strive for their last crepuscular half-being ;--
Lank Space, and scytheless Time with branny hands
Barren and soundless as the measuring sands,
Not mark`d by flit of Shades,--unmeaning they
As Moonlight on the dial of the day !
But that is lovely--looks like Human Time,--
An Old Man with a steady Look sublime,
That stops his earthly Task to watch the skies ;
But he is blind--a Statue hath such Eyes ;--
Yet having moon-ward turn`d his face by chance,
Gazes the orb with moon-like countenance,
With scant white hairs, with foretop bald & high,
He gazes still,--his eyeless Face all Eye ;--
As `twere an organ full of silent Sight,
His whole Face seemeth to rejoice in Light !
Lip touching lip, all moveless, bust and limb,
He seems to gaze at that which seems to gaze on him !
No such sweet sights doth Limbo Den immure,
Wall`d round, and made a Spirit-jail secure,
By the mere Horror of blank Naught-at-all,
Whose circumambience doth these Ghosts enthral.
A lurid thought is growthless, dull Privation,
Yet that is but a Purgatory curse ;
Hell knows a fear far worse,
A fear--a future fate.--`Tis positive Negation !

Closing half of 'Limbo' by Coleridge. As a philosophical poet he uses the Christian idea of Limbo as a departure for a discussion of the nature of 'nothingness', as well as of existentialism with regards to the old man.

Pay particular attention to the closing line: 'positive negation'.

This would be the view that makes a differentiation between two different states as illustrated by the following sentence:

'There is nothing in the larder.'

1. There is no meat, cheese, bread etc. etc.
2. There is an active nothingness, a state which defines the positive presence of something in contrast, in other words by being the exact opposite. It is not merely an absence of 'positive' things.

Bit of a mental tongue-twister, hope this provides something to the discussion

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Hey Matt - you can answer your own "Where does god come from" question with your previous post.

"God" was the "rather small and infinetly dense blip of energy".

When he died/exploded, he created the universe.

Therefore, God died to create us, and we are all part of God.

Wow - I could make a religion of this..................

Rather close to Kabbalistic belief there, look it up and you'll find something similar (if a little bit nutty).

Can you define voltage without using the term 'potential difference' - it's not easy. But if there is no voltage, no potential difference, there is nothing - so 'nothing' is what's happening inside the wires before you switch the juice on.

Nothing is also very subjective... Before I had lunch I had nothing but what was naturally supposed to be in my stomach... So to my mind, nothing of value. Therefore, I had nothing in my stomach.

Who's to say that total nothingness to us, isn't actually 'something' to some other being not at all like us?....