Public Sector Pay Cuts

we in the forces have been told we have a pay freeze for 2 years, and its for all public sector, the only ones that arent having their wages froze are those below 21k who should expect a min of 250 pay rise

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Id join one asap.Which unions organise in that workplace?
BTW the pay cut seems to be part of an ongoing re evaluation which she should have been consulted about,and her job should have been evaluated by a panel qualified to do so.That may have been done as a group rather than individually but she should have known something about it,and have a right of appeal if she can show evidence that it is wrong.

thats sounds like a single status procedure designed to remove inequalities in pay in the workplace and cut the number of equal pay claims. it biased and invariable wrong and the appeals are often held by panesl that include displaced management. - not very independent

Originally Posted by Dave Mac

we in the forces have been told we have a pay freeze for 2 years, and its for all public sector, the only ones that arent having their wages froze are those below 21k who should expect a min of 250 pay rise

think thats only central civil servants not local government.

I feel for you - we've got the same our department through restructure and budget cuts has been cut from 122 to 4 people. the rest of us are still waiting to get the letter to say thanks but no thanks. YET the cllrs and MP's and MSP's all want us, neigh demand, that we still provide the same level of service and demand that their consitutient is more imprtant than anyone else and do not realise that we cannot fit them in to discuss their problems about neighbours wheelie bins.

but hey I don't expect any different and Tim our pay is nowhere near the same as private - unless you are up at head/director level. I deal with a budget of over £150k and the dustmen get paid more than me.

[Bri w]

If there is a definite need for cuts, and it may well be the case in an effort to recover from the recession, I'd have thought a sliding scale would be fairer, i.e. 10% up to say 25% depending on salary.

That said, if this is purely to salvage the economy I'd rather see it as a tax increase so that everyone contributes towards the recovery.

But we can't have it both ways, i.e. the Govt rides in and saves the world won't come as a freebie. We've got to pay for that recovery.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by CheGuevara

Mrs G works for Sure Start in Northamptonshire. She's not on a very big wage at all to start with (considering her qualifications and experience), but they have just been advised to expect a 25% pay cut starting next April. That should put her a little over minimum wage.

I'm sure there are others worse off (redundancies) but that's just insane! We'll be generally OK with a bit of belt tightening, but it will likely scupper plans to start a family any time soon.

Anyone else on the forum been similarly affected? I feel for ya...

Perhaps being a bit harsh - but having been made redundant twice in the last 6 months, 25% cut is better than 100% cut.

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by Bri w

If there is a definite need for cuts, and it may well be the case in an effort to recover from the recession, I'd have thought a sliding scale would be fairer, i.e. 10% up to say 25% depending on salary.

That said, if this is purely to salvage the economy I'd rather see it as a tax increase so that everyone contributes towards the recovery.

But we can't have it both ways, i.e. the Govt rides in and saves the world won't come as a freebie. We've got to pay for that recovery.

Leaving aside the how much and when debate,I would like to hear a lot more from those in positions of power and leadership in this country about who is going to be paying.I will not take any lectures from politicians or captains of industry(and especially commerce)or the executive class in general about how I need to take a pay freeze/cut or reduce my pension expectations while they are sitting pretty on very high salaries with very generous(thank you)pensions safely lined up.I cant stand hypocrisy from the rich and powerful and I would support action against these parasites if they dont mend their selfish ways.

[husky03]

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Perhaps being a bit harsh - but having been made redundant twice in the last 6 months, 25% cut is better than 100% cut.

Thats what its gonna come down to- you either take a major paycut and still have a wage coming in or you lose your job and end up with nowt- gonna see more and more of this happening -really feel for people in this situation

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Leaving aside the how much and when debate,I would like to hear a lot more from those in positions of power and leadership in this country about who is going to be paying.I will not take any lectures from politicians or captains of industry(and especially commerce)or the executive class in general about how I need to take a pay freeze/cut or reduce my pension expectations while they are sitting pretty on very high salaries with very generous(thank you)pensions safely lined up.I cant stand hypocrisy from the rich and powerful and I would support action against these parasites if they dont mend their selfish ways.

Hear Hear A big +1

Originally Posted by Messie

I may be wrong so am more than happy to be corrected, but here's what I know
# Sure Start is part of Education not Health
# There are proposed pay freezes for some in education from Sept and for other from now
# I know of no pay CUTS for teachers but I can't say the same for support staff
# there is an expected 25% cut in the overall Education budget across the board.

True, true, true, and true. Please don't beleive what you read in the papers, people - stick to the facts.
BTW, I'm a senior manager in a Whitehall department, and my pay's been frozen.

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Leaving aside the how much and when debate,I would like to hear a lot more from those in positions of power and leadership in this country about who is going to be paying.I will not take any lectures from politicians or captains of industry(and especially commerce)or the executive class in general about how I need to take a pay freeze/cut or reduce my pension expectations while they are sitting pretty on very high salaries with very generous(thank you)pensions safely lined up.I cant stand hypocrisy from the rich and powerful and I would support action against these parasites if they dont mend their selfish ways.

Can't say I disagree with where you're coming from. Mending pension pots can only come from a strong recovery, and who pays for that recovery and why...

But if we're going to get into a debate on pensions maybe there is a need to end the final salary schemes that are costing so much.

Originally Posted by Bri w

maybe there is a need to end the final salary schemes that are costing so much.

Try and find one