Two-up Euro-touring

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

She's a dancer though. So if I crash... I'll be leaving her there and heading for the hills!

lol, no pressure!

Originally Posted by missyorkie_chris

lol, no pressure!

I know....nightmare!

Originally Posted by philbut

I've taken my housemate on the back with a full load (box plus two panniers) of heavy food shopping. Whilst you wouldn't want to do a track day like that, it actually handled OK - but low speed cornering is a bit strange.

Don't you worry about the weight over the back?
Passenger - say 80kg
Panniers - 20kg (ish...)
Luggage - Poss 30kg
130kg over the back wheel!?

I'd be terrified of the rear subframe just snapping! Or the shock just giving up!

Was talking with Kilted Ginger about this last night as I am considering an Sprint ST and he is considering a Tiger or an ST.

Perfectly possible to tour two up on an SV, it will do it no problem and I think the SV is quite a comfy bike as pillion standards go, but once you'd done it on a more 'designed for the job' bike you'd probably never do it on the SV again.

Just like it's perfectly possible to drive to France in my wifes 1.2 Seat Ibiza, but if have the choice of that or my Vectra, guess which I one choose....

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I know....nightmare!


Don't you worry about the weight over the back?
Passenger - say 80kg
Panniers - 20kg (ish...)
Luggage - Poss 30kg
130kg over the back wheel!?

I'd be terrified of the rear subframe just snapping! Or the shock just giving up!

You ain't gonna get that much weight on the back, unless you really let your wench pack for you.

Subframe is a really strong bit anyway.

Shock will give up if you try and use it properly with only rider on anyway! Fit a different one and it be fine.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Don't you worry about the weight over the back?
Passenger - say 80kg
Panniers - 20kg (ish...)
Luggage - Poss 30kg
130kg over the back wheel!?

I'd be terrified of the rear subframe just snapping! Or the shock just giving up!

My passenger is way lighter than 80kg

I've never had any issue with over loading the back (but remember mine is not an SV). i have an after market Hagon shock anyway as the stock would have been too saggy for the job. I've carried some really heavy stuff (welder etc) and the sub frame is fine. The rack is braced at three points (plus the cross member to reduce moment on the mounts) to spread the load, thus I think reducing the chance of damaging the frame.

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Don't you worry about the weight over the back?
Passenger - say 80kg
Panniers - 20kg (ish...)
Luggage - Poss 30kg
130kg over the back wheel!?

Somewhere in the specs for your bike will be the max load for the rear sub-frame. On my viffer there is a sticker under the seat Two up with loaded panniers is no problem.

BTW loaded panniers would be maybe 20KG - where does the 30KG for luggage come from?

Originally Posted by Luckypants

Somewhere in the specs for your bike will be the max load for the rear sub-frame. On my viffer there is a sticker under the seat Two up with loaded panniers is no problem.

BTW loaded panniers would be maybe 20KG - where does the 30KG for luggage come from?

I think he is refering to the ammo crates that I have welded to the side, as I believe he is considering making a similar set up. They are HEAVY. with the mounting frame they weigh just shy of 10kg or so each.

The subframe is essentially a tri-angle, it can take loads before it could give up.
If I can go round France with me, Jax (20+ stone) and full Oxford panniers and tail pack on the SV then it will be easy for anything else.

[STRAMASHER]

Originally Posted by Luckypants

Somewhere in the specs for your bike will be the max load for the rear sub-frame. On my viffer there is a sticker under the seat Two up with loaded panniers is no problem.

BTW loaded panniers would be maybe 20KG - where does the 30KG for luggage come from?

Can you post the maxload for your viffer Lucky, as the only bike I checked was a KTM990SM which had a max of 100kg. Be nice to get an idea if this is high or low etc. Alloy subframes are a worry are they not Suzuki?

I have a 52L Givi Portapotty which has a 30kg limit and I am sure SWMBO tests this with all those hair tool ****e. (ok and my "15kg" of chargers)

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by STRAMASHER

Can you post the maxload for your viffer Lucky, as the only bike I checked was a KTM990SM which had a max of 100kg. Be nice to get an idea if this is high or low etc. Alloy subframes are a worry are they not Suzuki?

I have a 52L Givi Portapotty which has a 30kg limit and I am sure SWMBO tests this with all those hair tool ****e. (ok and my "15kg" of chargers)

Mine quotes 35KG max luggage capacity presumably with the Honda panniers / top box. Each pannier has max weight of 10KG and the racks are about 5KG leaving 10KG for the top box (which I do not have). 10KG of stuff is a lot! Even stuffed my panniers rarely weigh over 10KG and I reckon I have some spare capacity due to no topbox.

The total max load for the bike 195 KG to include rider/passenger/luggage/accessories. Funny enough no difference between ABS / No-ABS models even though ABS model heavier, I'd have thought that extra 5KG of ABS gubbins would have come off the load capacity, so all up weight is the same. Having ridden two up with panniers, the suspendies are struggling at the load limit.

Final thing, the VFR has a cantilever subframe design to accomodate the underseat exhaust, which may account for some lowish values for luggage.