Heavy handling of protesters by police

[lazymanc]

Originally Posted by BanditPat

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I would have said that neither party conducted them selves how they should have done. I know I would have gotten fairly angry if the woman had spoke to me like that I dont know about any one else.

The problem is, cops are not just normal members of the public that can get upset when someone is a bit blunt with them. We give them special powers and in return they're supposed to use those powers with restraint and without getting emotional. If they can't do that then they should not be doing the job. I'm not saying they should put up with verbal abuse, but they should be thick-skinned enough to deal with a little shortness from someone.

The women were within their rights to ask for a badge number, especially as it's supposed to be a legal requirement that they're on display. It seems any attempt to question a police officer about their duties is automatically deemed inappropriate and liable to get you thrown in the back of a van.

The worst bit is the complete over-reaction to subduing the women - using pressure points and other pain-inducing techniques on someone who is not actually struggling against you is despicable, as was strapping one of the women like an animal.

I'd really like to hear an actual police officer's view on this, because I'd hope that the majority of them find it as unpalatable as I do.

[embee]

I trust the Police about as far as they could throw me.

[Ch00]

Well that does not look good!!!

Based on that video it the police looked like they have over reacted. However like always what happened before or after we will never know.

Ch00

[Bluepete]

If anyone wants my collar number and asked me like that, I would have no problem giving it - then again, it's always hanging out there for all to see of yu are tall enough!

At ALL "events" like the one in the video I've ever worked, it's drummed into us to make sure our collar numbers are on display. Thay had no reason to refuse what was, after all, a polite request (from what we see in the edited video)

Pete

[yorkie_chris]

I feel some respect for you lot who are in the job for having the patience to be in the same profession as thugs like that. That sort of behaviour is just asking for people to become violent, are they trying to create 70s NI on the mainland? Do they like snipers, IEDs?

Pete you don't count, I know you're only there to thrash the cars...

[yorkie_chris]

I do have to laugh about it being the police evidence gatherers camera and note with interest someone saying "cameras on" in the initial struggle. Mostly like when I've done bits of jobs in pubs and clubs, learning where the CCTV cover is. The difference is I've never had a punch up with someone who didn't deserve or cause it.

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by embee

I trust the Police about as far as they could throw me.

Judging by the video that could be quite a long way....

I'm with BluePete on this one, there are some things worth fighting over, your badge number isn't one of them. The problem with events of this kind is that they drag cops in from all over the country who are then left guarding some piece of wire fence for hours on end, and when they do finally get to go hands on with the "opposition" there seems to be some pent up frustration to release. Shame really that one or two incidents like this undermine the thousands of other "confrontations" that were resolved peacefully.

[Spiderman]

Pleased to se that some of our police contignet on here are as opposed to this behaviour as the rest of us and that no one has yet come in here screaming at me that i'm "anti police" as has been said about me in other threads.

*Paging Orwell*


The IPCC shouldn't be run by cops, in the same way a prisoner shouldn't be a judge. The clue is in the frickin 'I'.

[Spiderman]

I knw what you're getting at there Dizzy but i think its sometimes required as only they know of all the dirty underhanded techniques serving cops use, whereas you or I may not know them all.

For example the pressure point pain delivery shown by one of the cops. If i was to tell 100 people that cops do this so as to deliver pain but not leave marks and thus open them up to allegations of beatings i would image 85 or so wouldn't believe me and would assume i'm making it up.
If a serving or ex-cop said it then it'd carry far more weight for those same people.
Even someone seeing that vid would not spot it unless they knew what to look for, and so if an "investigator" didn't know to look for those things they'd go uncovered.

However this of course leave the IPCC open to all kinds of allegations of corruption. However i think its still from hih=gher up that the whitewash decisions are made. The IPCC were very scathing about the police and the operation that led to the killing of JC DeMenezes, yet the inquiry was a complete whitewash that ended with the family walking out before the final day. Even the jury at the enquiry said they found the way the police colluded and lied about the events to be shocking but the enquiry was not allowing them to return a decision of "unlawfull killing" which i belive the IPCC had been pushing for.