Hell boys

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Von Teese

Exterior factors can help create a situation but I wouldnt say are the sole cause.

Don't agree. The research papers that i'm aware of conclude that only about 15% of human behavioural characteristics are born in - the rest are learned. It's the old nature/nurture argument.

However when you consider just how much the brain develops in response to stimuli, it becomes clear how much influence it has. If you cover a baby's eyes for the first few weeks of life it will be blind. I think that likewise, if a child is never shown compassion/love etc, it will never be able to receive it.

Originally Posted by ophic

Don't agree. The research papers that i'm aware of conclude that only about 15% of human behavioural characteristics are born in - the rest are learned.

The above says you disagree with me saying that external factors are not the SOLE cause.
Yet you say that 15% are born in...therefore only 85% can be down to external factors therefore not 100% and therefore cannot be seen as the SOLE cause.

How on earth they managed to work it out to 15% is beyond me though.

All I will say is that I have been to plenty of homes where a persistant young offender lives, met the parents who are caring and nurturing and the embarrassed siblings who have never done anything criminal in their lives...so in these cases (which are most)...you are blaming.......????????



I think most people have gone through distressing times in their lives, does that mean that we can all turn evil accordingly?

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Von Teese

How on earth they managed to work it out to 15% is beyond me though.

yeah no idea either. I think they're trying to quantify "a relatively small influence"

Originally Posted by Von Teese

All I will say is that I have been to plenty of homes where a persistant young offender lives, met the parents who are caring and nurturing and the embarrassed siblings who have never done anything criminal in their lives...so in these cases (which are most)...you are blaming.......????????

Perhaps blame isn't the point. Individuals are different, have different learning styles, and therefore what works to "educate" one child into a pleasant member of society may not work for another. Also the influence of the siblings isn't taken into account, and parenting style can change over time - so siblings are frequently not brought up in exactly the same way. Remember that there is no perfect upbringing - however being too soft might be as bad as being too harsh on a child.

However that "15% that is born in" has to come from the parents by normal genetic inheritance. So if the parents are "normal" members of society, then there's no explanation here either.

Originally Posted by Von Teese

I think most people have gone through distressing times in their lives, does that mean that we can all turn evil accordingly?

I think abuse or neglect during the formative years has a lasting effect on behaviour, but during adulthood less so. Having said that, the law is the law - break it and you should be punished, regardless of cause. Of course, the punishment principle just doesn't work on some people... could it be that, like compassion and love, if you're not introduced to the concept of punishment as a child, it will not be an effective means of "directing" behaviour later on in life?

I know where you are coming from, I think what I was trying to say is...

[ophic]

Some say we're all born good. I prefer to think we're all born evil and unless we're shown how to function in a society, we can't do it.

But then "evil" is considered to be a conscious decision to do something bad, rather than a mistake.

I'm sat here waiting for grout to dry, so excuse any cobblers I might spout

lol...no worries, Im just bored and waiting for something to end on Ebay!

Well for what its worth, I agree with VT!







Because she will shout at me if I dont!

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I think I am everyones B'yach.............

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

I think I am everyones B'yach.............

Wrong answer!
Remeber what we discussed!!!

You say 'yes mistress'

That is all