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Old 30-10-09, 12:21 PM   #21
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Leedsmatt------Terrific-----point is he would probably nick you for willfull damage to the highway
By the way is that for real
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Old 30-10-09, 12:44 PM   #22
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True if he could prove it he prob would.
Yeah it'd work. I live in a cul-de-sac and at somepoint one of the residents converted thier front garden in to a driveway, to get permission for this they had to put planning in for the whole cul-de-sac to be made into drop kerb. However come construction they only ever converted their own section. Since then various people have put dropped kerbs in all the way around when they converted their garden into parking space. However the owner pervious to me coverted our front garden into a drive with out dropping our kerbs so we've got an odd up and down kerb face at the entrance to our driveway. I've used contact through work to enquire about getting ours converted to a dropped kerb and he said, the council wont come and fix a good kerb even if its not what its meant to be. However if I were to accidently break it the council would be obligated to come repair it, and they'd have to repair it as per the lastest planning consent. IE free dropped kerb so yes it would work, but maybe the use of a sledge hammer is quite subtle enough... Saying that its what I used.
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Old 30-10-09, 01:26 PM   #23
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Easy way around this:
Apply for planning permisson to have the kerb dropped. Once its approved (at a much lower cost than £1800) smash the kerb edging thats there with a sledge hammer. Council regs instruct they must replace cracked or damaged kerb egding as per the latest planning consent. Problemo solvedo bingo bango
Or just get an approved highways contractor to do the work for much less than the council.
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Old 30-10-09, 01:29 PM   #24
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I haven't read the original article in MCN so might be at a bit of a disadvantage but I get the gist of this is that the copper complains that his neighbour rides up the kerb and across the pavement to get into his property? It's not an offence. The pavement is part of the highway (road) and it isn't a specific offence to drive or ride on it (unless you're in an HGV where there is an offence of parking on it). You can get done for obstructing it if you park on it, and obviously if you get into the habit of riding/driving long distances along it to say get round a traffic jam you could get done for without due care and attention, but to cross it to get into your property, no offence. If he complains about you bumping up the kerb then use his drop kerb instead and then cut along the pavement into your garden.
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Old 30-10-09, 01:29 PM   #25
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less isnt free
NB, I smashed mine a while back I havnt had it replaced yet though, waiting until we can afford the drive to be blockpaved so that it'll all tie in flush.
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Old 30-10-09, 06:20 PM   #26
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Or just get an approved highways contractor to do the work for much less than the council.

You can't, it has to be from the council, not a contractor (although the council will haire a contractor to do it no doubt... They don't want money taken out of their pocket now do they...).

THey wanted about £700 after planning permission to put a dropped kerb at my parents old house..

Needless to say my old man gave them the bird and we simply drove up and down the kerb for the next 5 years till the property was sold.
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Old 30-10-09, 06:22 PM   #27
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Oh, PS, the only way I can see around this is to remove the keys from the bike, put them in the house/garden etc...

THEN wheel the bike.

Bit like if you sit in your car whilst drunk and have the keys on you. You cna be done for drink driving. But if the keys are outside the car (i.e under the wheels) then you can't be done as you can't drive a car without car keys..

Im guessing this rule could be applied? If the keys are not around, then you cannot be riding/driving the bike even if you are pushing?
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Old 30-10-09, 07:11 PM   #28
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I haven't read the original article in MCN so might be at a bit of a disadvantage but I get the gist of this is that the copper complains that his neighbour rides up the kerb and across the pavement to get into his property? It's not an offence. The pavement is part of the highway (road) and it isn't a specific offence to drive or ride on it (unless you're in an HGV where there is an offence of parking on it). You can get done for obstructing it if you park on it, and obviously if you get into the habit of riding/driving long distances along it to say get round a traffic jam you could get done for without due care and attention, but to cross it to get into your property, no offence. If he complains about you bumping up the kerb then use his drop kerb instead and then cut along the pavement into your garden.
Right - so are you confirming that it is perfectly legal to ride a bike up the kerb and onto a property?
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Old 30-10-09, 07:37 PM   #29
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Right - so are you confirming that it is perfectly legal to ride a bike up the kerb and onto a property?
Under the Road Traffic Act yes. Check for local bylaws. Sometimes they specifically exclude vehicles on pavements (usually in city centers).

Look at it this way, if it was illegal to drive on a pavement (don't get confused with the legislation around "Footpaths") then all those cars parked two wheels on the pavement would be breaking the law and if that was the case some jobsworth in your local council would do something about it and make a fortune.
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Old 31-10-09, 02:38 PM   #30
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Oh, PS, the only way I can see around this is to remove the keys from the bike, put them in the house/garden etc...

THEN wheel the bike.

Bit like if you sit in your car whilst drunk and have the keys on you. You cna be done for drink driving. But if the keys are outside the car (i.e under the wheels) then you can't be done as you can't drive a car without car keys..

Im guessing this rule could be applied? If the keys are not around, then you cannot be riding/driving the bike even if you are pushing?
Id still be charging anyone for drink driving in theses circumstances. Its exactly the same as if you were pushing your car along the road without any keys in the ignition - you still have control over that vehicles speed and direction.
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