Just took a Gixxer for a test ride

Originally Posted by lukemillar

+1. People (SV owners in particular) hop off a twin and onto an IL4 expecting to chug around with 3K rpm on the clock! Any labouring engine will provide f'all power!

Which is why you should go for the 750! It'll happily chug at 3K whilst putting out much more power than an SV and being a million times smoother.

The GSX-R is superb, cant recommend it enough. I was originally going to go for the 600 and am sure i'd have been very happy with it (as has been said, anyone saying the 600 'lacks power' is talking out of their ring). BUT i thought what if i buy the 600 and i'll always be wondering whether the 750 would have been better so i went 750.

Either 600 or 750 have WAY more power than you can use on the road and you'd have to be a fckin really good rider to get anywhere near its limits on track too.

Both are a good bet after the SV. As you say, the GSX is smoother and more planted and you can feel the quality difference in the kit and suspension straight away.

try a Daytona 675?

because I want one

Originally Posted by Lucas

try a Daytona 675?

because I want one

I tried one, beautiful looking thing, i don't know what species they used when designing the ergonomics though, but it wasn't human!

Was the most uncomfy thing i've sat on, and that includes the time i fell out of a tree and landed nuts-first on a fence!

You could consider something a bit older too, and not have to spend anything more than you get for the SV. If you want something a bit more civilised foir touring, the older crop of 600's (I'm thinking the Ninja particularly here) or ZX9R / '99 blade are roomier for you + Mrs + luggage and will still be far quicker than you. Older bikes are cheaper to insure too, and you won't take a hit on depreciation either (unless you bin it!). I was lapping some guys on their 09 GSXR's etc on the last trackday I did an on a 12 year old ZX7R (Not in the fast group ). Worth considering the less popular stuff now as there are some real bargains to be had (unless you are a tart of course and need the latest thing )

[Spikenipple]

My brother's (more or less standard) K6 GSXR-750 pulls beautifully from 25mph in 6th gear, which is about 2500rpm.

[fastdruid]

Originally Posted by Durbs

Which is why you should go for the 750! It'll happily chug at 3K whilst putting out much more power than an SV and being a million times smoother.

Er, no it makes less power at 3K, only slightly but still less.

650


GSX-R750 K4


Druid

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

I've been saying the same for ages and nobody listens to me...

+ me too.


All this "you have to keep the revs well up to get anything from it" is rubbish.

It's an IL4 not a 2 stroke!

I'm glad we have dyno charts on this thread, they produce hard facts that nobody can really argue with and remain credible. Saves arguing over opinion and "my bikes better than yours".

Never mind 3k, it's a largely irrelevant engine speed, look at those dyno graphs at 7k revs. The SV is making about 59bhp and the gixxer 750 with an extra 100cc capacity, 2 extra cylinders, and a shedload more technology is only making about 2bhp more. The 600 will be making less.

At 10k however, the Gixxer is making about 105bhp, the 600 won't be far off 100, and the SV has past peak power and is starting to tail off below 68bhp.

So it all depends on what do you define as "keeping the revs well up". On an IL4 600 that does 16k revs, 10k is "midrange", and an IL4 rider is used to that. If you come off an SV however, that's only a split second off the rev limiter.

So to an SV rider, yes, you do have to "keep the revs well up".

Fizz and I have had this argument on the forum a million times, and we are both right, only I have the SV riders perspective and he has the IL4 riders perspective. The conclusion reached every time is that it depends upon what you as the rider expect to happen when you open the throttle at a given engine speed and it takes a few miles for an SV rider to adjust to the engines midrange being at higher engine speeds.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Fizz and I have had this argument on the forum a million times, and we are both right, only I have the SV riders perspective and he has the IL4 riders perspective.

I did have an SV once you know

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

The conclusion reached every time is that it depends upon what you as the rider expect to happen when you open the throttle at a given engine speed and it takes a few miles for an SV rider to adjust to the engines midrange being at higher engine speeds.

Completely agree. I just dont like the narrow minded opinion that I come across from some peeps on here sometimes. They are happy to trott out the same cliched stereotypes about IL4 vs V twin engines yet the only bike they have ridden is the SV and they havent tried anything else*

*I'm not saying thats always the case just a recurring trend I have noticed

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Completely agree. I just dont like the narrow minded opinion that I come across from some peeps on here sometimes. They are happy to trott out the same cliched stereotypes about IL4 vs V twin engines yet the only bike they have ridden is the SV and they havent tried anything else

+1

Personally (and that's all that matters to me) I find the ZX6r to be physically more comfortable than the SV and have a wider usable range. Enough torque at low revs to be nippy through town, and mental revs when you want them. And the gixxer I test rode was even more comfortable and polished. Your mileage may vary, but SS600s are not the stereotypes I was initially led to believe they were.