R.I.P jade Clark

i was taught to ride in the middle. Which now im learning advanced riding i have learnt is not preferable however to be taught to ride by the kerb is ludicrous. I think the same of car drivers that pull to the kerb to let you overtake when you are already at the speed limit though..dont assume all riders want to take risks 24/7 and by offering that chance they may be liable for an accident, like if you wave someone out and they crash..

You're not liable either way,

I always wave bikers through because I want you loonies in front of me where I can see you, not behind possibly overtaking me when I want to move over in my lane.

eah i guess there are pros and cons. but the example i can think of was on a single carriageway 60mph and there was oncoming traffic..

Yeah, that's why you move over. To give room.

My point is its best to overtake when a rider has evaulated the situation and decided its safe, not when the car driver infront deems it a good idea to wave someone past. Purely incase the rider just follows the instructions like a zombie and ends up coming off worse

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by stuR

like if you wave someone out and they crash..

If somebody waves you out the responsibility is entirely on you to make sure it is safe to make your maneuver. No liability is transferred to the person who waves you out.

Originally Posted by stuR

My point is its best to overtake when a rider has evaulated the situation and decided its safe, not when the car driver infront deems it a good idea to wave someone past. Purely incase the rider just follows the instructions like a zombie and ends up coming off worse

then the zombie rider probably needed taken out of the gene pool anyway, but I agree with what you are saying, one of my pet hates

the number of times I'm sat behind cars who pull into the gutter or almost onto the grass verge, when you're thinking 'oh, FFS I'm not going to overtake you now for XYZ reason', then when you don't overtake they slow down forcing you to brake behind them. eventually they get the message and carry on their own journey

i'm riding a powerful motorbike that will have no problem getting past, and i'm quite capable of deciding when an overtake is on and when it isn't

thanks anyway, but I don't need you pulling into the gutter

when I want to overtake and its safe, rest assured i'll get past you no problem, just ignore my journey and get on and drive your car whilst concentrating on your own

Really Chris? It was my understanding people that waved/flashed you to go were liable for any accident caused by this action, perhaps i was misinformed. My point exactly Fordward

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

If somebody waves you out the responsibility is entirely on you to make sure it is safe to make your maneuver. No liability is transferred to the person who waves you out.

Exactly.

The wave is to say that I personally am allowing you to pass, not that I have evaluated all possibilities and its 100% safe to do so.

Drifting over in the lane even less so, I could just be a bad driver.

Originally Posted by stuR

Really Chris? It was my understanding people that waved/flashed you to go were liable for any accident caused by this action, perhaps i was misinformed. My point exactly Fordward

No. In fact even of I flashed my lights and then hit you myself its not 100% certain I would be liable since waving or flashing have no legal status or meaning and are not in the Highway Code.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Spank86

Drifting over in the lane even less so, I could just be a bad driver.

You try retrieving your fags from the passenger footwell without dropping your bacon sarnie and keep in same position in lane