Bereaved family releases shocking video

[kaivalagi]

Well if nothing else if the video exposure might encourage car drivers to think twice before crossing a motorcycles path and save a few more bikers.

I'm done with the who is at fault and what could have been done discussion, it's bloody everywhere, we all know what should be done and make our choices based on this versus our riding enjoyment...for this scenario, be careful near junctions...simples.

Originally Posted by Wideboy

ever watched barely legal drivers bib? its very eye opening.

btw that's not a porno

Do they have a spin off called "barely legal riders"?

[PyroUK]

Originally Posted by Bibio

i haven't seen the vid but i suspect its of a bikers last moments before contacting a car. are the family/police hoping that this vid will make people realise that motorcycles are dangerous? well i have some rather sad news... they are dangerous we all know that we all take risks. publishing a vid showing the consequences of a crash is not going to deter people from riding their bike and ride exactly how they do. all this vid is for is to say to the general public 'see what happens when you speed'... ermm no sh!t sherlock.

i'm personally getting fed up to the back teeth of the media and powers that be condemning motorcycling as bad and putting everything in the potential new riders path to put them off and get them in a cage. if they want safer roads then there should be a tougher test not just for bikes but across the board. the amount of new riders/drivers that i have seen who are incompetent on the road is shocking, the media then blame everything but the actual process that is applied to the driver/rider gaining their licence. any fool can pass their car/bike test but can they actually drive/ride a vehicle properly once done. it's about time they taught people to drive/ride rather than pass a test.

rant over now go back to what you were doing.

Don't question your points, but I have watched the vid and it is not aimed as anti bike or speed. It's more pro don't be a d ckhead.

The mother says she wouldn't have taken the joy of biking away from him. What she does say is that car drivers need to be more aware and take the time to stop and look around especially at junctions etc.

[L3nny]

Originally Posted by Specialone

You truly believe the rider couldn't have reasonably expected that car to pull across his path considering a long straight road on a clear day? At 60 mph he could gone round it's off side because he would've had more time to react.

I've said this numerous times but I'd rather be wrong and alive than right and dead.

From the video. Which tbf is pretty hard to judge speeds and distance it looks like the car just turns without looking. If he was doing 60 he'd probably have had a chance to scrub some speed off, but he would have had to had lighting reactions and lots of skill to avoid the car.

[DJ123]

Originally Posted by L3nny

From the video. Which tbf is pretty hard to judge speeds and distance it looks like the car just turns without looking. If he was doing 60 he'd probably have had a chance to scrub some speed off, but he would have had to had lighting reactions and lots of skill to avoid the car.

By knowing the speed he was doing you know the distance travelled on a metre per second basis (4.5 m/s per 10mph). Even on the video you can clearly see the vehicle manoeuvre into the centre of the road (3-4 seconds prior to impact). Less than half a second before impact does his speed drop & his hand open to grab the front brake. Poor observation & planning caused the incident-on both drivers accounts.

[NTECUK]

Originally Posted by L3nny

From the video. Which tbf is pretty hard to judge speeds and distance it looks like the car just turns without looking. If he was doing 60 he'd probably have had a chance to scrub some speed off, but he would have had to had lighting reactions and lots of skill to avoid the car.

Thing is. If you watch it he has the control to alter his position.
He moves to the near side. But target fixation is something that is inbuilt.
If he had been going 40 mph less he may have been able to get round to right.
But it's not a easy thing to train your brain to do.
Of course if the car had actually seen him and waited he would also been fine

The way I look at it the car driver made a mistake with tragic consequences, but the biker was riding on the assumption that no cars drivers would make mistakes... That's not a gamble that pays off for long.

[NTECUK]

Lessons to be learnt on both sides.
And hats off to the family for allowing that message to come across

Always very sad to see this kind of thing but he was riding like a knob. Yes we all like to speed a bit but in the right place but this wasn't it in his case. Target fixation? If just a moment before the impact he had turned right a little could have avoided it completely and still be alive today. Young rider with inexperience out to play on a bike with more capability than he had....

Cruel but true.

Just re-watch the last few seconds of that clip & imagine what you would do if you were stupid enough to be in that situation? I would just turn right a bit & avoid the tosser in the car altogether.

[MisterTommyH]

Originally Posted by Phoenix22

Always very sad to see this kind of thing but he was riding like a knob. Yes we all like to speed a bit but in the right place but this wasn't it in his case. Target fixation? If just a moment before the impact he had turned right a little could have avoided it completely and still be alive today. Young rider with inexperience out to play on a bike with more capability than he had....

Cruel but true.

The capability thing I'd argue is more about not putting yourself in that situation..... As for young and inexperienced, maybe we have a different yardstick as the guy was 38 and had been riding bikes for 22 years.

Two lessons I take from this and recent experience.

1 - The faster you are going the less time you have to react to something like this irrespective of your skill or capability. Maybe a bit of foresight.

2 - You have to assume that car drivers aren't going to see you and allow for the worst that you think they can do. A driver pulled across my path last night (Edit: into my path travelling in the same direction) when I was doing 30 - 3-4 clear car lengths behind two cars (going the same speed). All they saw (if they saw me at all) was a push bike and assumed the speed would be slow - had the shock of their life when the looked out their offside window and saw me there because thats where I'd had to go because they hadn't expected me. In that situation I don't believe I'd done anything wrong but still ended up in that position and was lucky to avoid. It's not all about the riders skill.