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Old 25-11-05, 12:02 AM   #21
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I would rather use engine braking and not risk the front end going out from under me or the back locking up
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Old 25-11-05, 12:12 AM   #22
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I would rather use engine braking and not risk the front end going out from under me or the back locking up
But why is it that you feel the only way to avoid the situations you mention can only be done by using engine braking and therefore "blipping." You infer that as night follows day...without blipping these scarey moments will definitely happen?

Granted heavy application of brakes in poor road conditions or when actually cornering could lead to problems. But as stated earlier...the braking is done before entering any turn. That means the bike is fully upright,(in most cases)
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Old 25-11-05, 07:30 AM   #23
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Er, yes. SVs don't have slipper clutches
Is that the best you can add to this debate mate? I am very surprised at you!


Well what more do you want! Unless having the back wheel sliding about all over the place, you gotta blip!
Not if you have already slowed to an appropriate speed for the gear you change down to.
Wrong. If you can change down a gear without blipping and not get the back wheel sliding, the revs would have to be sufficiently low. This would mean you'd still be in far too high a gear, so what would be the point?
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Old 25-11-05, 07:34 AM   #24
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I think the blipping method is more your RGV250 two stroke, keep it in the powerband type thing. Not really relevant on a torquey 4 stroke V-twin.
I've never ridden a 2stroke, but I understand they have bugger all engine braking, so you wouldn't need to blip
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Old 25-11-05, 07:59 AM   #25
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Er, yes. SVs don't have slipper clutches
SV1000s do

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virtually all Moto GP and WSB machines utilise a slipper clutch which largely removes the affect of engine breaking
Hmmm, not sure about that - I thought that they CONTROL engine braking, rather than remove it.

Whilst blipping can seem more complicated at first than just slamming on the anchors, after a while it does become very natural and I think it makes for smoother riding in the road.
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Old 25-11-05, 08:11 AM   #26
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Wrong. If you can change down a gear without blipping and not get the back wheel sliding, the revs would have to be sufficiently low.
It is as if you imagine that this method simply involves the knocking down of gears and the dumping of the clutch? This is not at all what is suggested.Perhaps it is the fact that this is a method that many of us are just not familiar with?

There should be no sliding of the rear wheel as speed is being removed by the brakes so that when the clutch is released after each gear change the engine does add to the braking overall but not in a destabilising manner.

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Hmmm, not sure about that - I thought that they CONTROL engine braking, rather than remove it.
Indeed you are correct Matt,they avoid the chances of the rear wheel sliding by mismatched engine speed/road speed. The drive is not reintroduced to the rear wheel until the situation is back to "engine driving the wheel" as opposed to the reverse of this.

It can be argued that a slipper clutch covers up for bad technique from riders as well as the benefit of being able to do multiple down shifts.
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Old 25-11-05, 08:28 AM   #27
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That explains why the SV1000 I rode felt a bit odd when changing down gears sharply.
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Old 25-11-05, 08:57 AM   #28
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Wrong. If you can change down a gear without blipping and not get the back wheel sliding, the revs would have to be sufficiently low.
It is as if you imagine that this method simply involves the knocking down of gears and the dumping of the clutch? This is not at all what is suggested.
True, but if you're riding quickly, feeding out the clutch really isn't an option imo.
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Old 25-11-05, 09:11 AM   #29
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True, but if you're riding quickly, feeding out the clutch really isn't an option imo.
Got to disagree with you there matey.There are of course degrees of feeding in the clutch but this is the only real way to do it at any time. In truth this method would posibly have you down through the box much quicker than blipping.It also involves less input from the rider.

As mentioned before this method is more likely to be used in an emergency stop situation so where is the built in delay there?
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Old 25-11-05, 09:18 AM   #30
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Er, yes. SVs don't have slipper clutches
SV1000s do
No they don't.


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