The tax man......

Originally Posted by K

They are claiming that I don't get one because I didn't get any money this month (not even my SSP) - they apparently miscalculated things and have overpaid me for the past three months and are only not clawing it back.

Which in itself I am not too objectionable to, but the way they're doing it is for me to have no income at all for this month, next month and reduced income the month after that - bearing in mind that for the past two and a half months my only 'income' has been SSP (or should have been if they hadn't cocked it up).

My argument to them is that I have no record of the calculations involved if I don't receive a payslip detailing the deductions.
I also think they are legally bound to send be one - they are definately contractually bound to as I read right the way through mine to check.

I think youre right. I think they are legally bound too - have a nosey round the www.hmrc.gov.uk site. Give the revenue a call too - Im sure they have to notify you of SSP calculations. But certainly theyre in breach of your contract if they dont - and thats worth pointing out to them.

Originally Posted by lynw

This situation is incredibly rare, certainly not enough to pay all the assylum seekers phone/hotel bills.

But dont let any fact get in the way of a rant then. Maybe one day you'll surprise me and actually have a rant based on something remotely approaching a fact rather than biased inaccurate propaganda.

The reason this situation is incredibly rare is because the amount of crap that descends from the Revenue when we find it. The amount of crap derives precisely from the fact that its a breach of trust, fraud and affects not usually just one person. But it is a possibility. Its more likely to be an admin error with us.

3. End of the day, its not the Revenues fault. Its the COMPANY who acted fraudulently and lied to you and defrauded you. But again, dont concentrate on that when it stops you having a dig at the Revenue. Having a dig when its warranted, fair enough. Having a dig when its not, and you conveniently ignore that, isnt.

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hit a nerve did i.

Im happy with the record playing thanks. If you don't like it, i think the term is tough ****???

Nope, its not the employees fault either. Its the companys, why should the employee suffer.. Bu then we can't have the IR being done out can we...... Isn't that your job to sort out issue like that??? Nope, the employee looses out, its always all about money money money........

Maybe it was off topic, but still all related. My money going to sh1tty causes.... Nope, there were no aslylum seekers sent to a 5* hotels in my area, and given phones. These same people didn't beat up a load of people in my local town. These people haven't created their own gangs etc have they.... Meanwhile, in the UK, we still have how many homless people?

I wouldn't expect you to understand being a IR person yourself....

Now please aim your reply at someone who gives a rats ass women.... Otherwise, zip it.....

"Its more likely to be an admin error with us"

Well that doesn't suprise me either

Awaits IR persons reply trying to correct any minor mistake i've made........ This should be fun.......

Daimo, you didnt hit a nerve, that would indicate anything you say carries any weight with me. But clearly youre too dumb to comprehend having a go at the Revenue for something a company and its directors do fraudulently is not a fair dig.

As I said, fair play if its an admin **** up on our part then yes thats fair. Any other time its not.

I replied to this thread to help someone, to actually be constructive. How typical of you to be unconstructive and derail the thread into a rant on your agenda.

Frankly, there are times this forum would benefit if YOU just shut up.

Originally Posted by lynw

Daimo, you didnt hit a nerve, that would indicate anything you say carries any weight with me. But clearly youre too dumb to comprehend having a go at the Revenue for something a company and its directors do fraudulently is not a fair dig.

As I said, fair play if its an admin c*ck up on our part then yes thats fair. Any other time its not.

I replied to this thread to help someone, to actually be constructive. How typical of you to be unconstructive and derail the thread into a rant on your agenda.

Frankly, there are times this forum would benefit if YOU just shut up.

Oh bitchy bitchy, lets all play nicely children.

Im with Daimo on this issue though, If the employer ****s up, and the Tax office **** up - why should it then be the tax payer whos already had his deductions taken off, who has to pay the deductions again?

No doubt the employee has about 14 days in which to pay, and then if the employer pays the tax back.. the employee has to wait for a rebate - will the IR refund it in the same time scales???? Will they ****ers.

I love winding you up darlin.... Tis putting a smile on my face...

So let me guess this right, from what your saying....

If a company doesn't pay the tax, the company gets done over, the employee (obvlious) gets done over, IR still gets their money from the employee, company gets a good ticking off, maybe more.....

BUT

"Having a go at the Revenue for something a company and its directors do . "

So whats the difference between the employee being screwed?

The boss is screwing the employee at a company, meanwhile, the IR Directors are also screwing over the employee, who is also being screwed by his/her company.....

Good setup they have there.... Or am i missing something here lynny baby, Teach me the ways of the force.

I replied to this thread to help someone, to actually be constructive. How typical of you to be unconstructive and derail the thread into a rant on your agenda "

I know, im such a bad person? Im like the Brain, my agenda is to take over the world.

Is it my being un-constructive, or you getting on the wrong side of me at the start, hence me disliking you and winding you up to pass me un-satisfying day?

Or am i just cranking that pulley just that little bit more and reeling you in..

your turn... Or

Originally Posted by getyerkneedown

Im with Daimo on this issue though, If the employer f*cks up, and the Tax office f*ck up - why should it then be the tax payer whos already had his deductions taken off, who has to pay the deductions again?

Ok, please explain how this is a tax office **** up?

Its the company thats responsible for making the deductions and paying it over. If they make no declarations to us and we dont know theyre trading, precisely how is it our error?

Really, I understand peoples dislike of paying tax. But blaming something on the IR when its not their fault is out of order. Fairs fair. If it was a fault on the Revenue part then I would agree partly with Daimo but its not.

And I really dont think youre in any position to complain about paying too much tax do you? :P

No doubt the employee has about 14 days in which to pay, and then if the employer pays the tax back.. the employee has to wait for a rebate - will the IR refund it in the same time scales???? Will they f*ckers

Ok tactful version. Not correct.

Given its fraudulently done, the employees wouldnt be expected to pay it immediately. The Revenue would pursue the company for the money first and foremost so the employees wouldnt have to have further deductions. If that fails THEN it would be collected by amending the employees tax code.

@ Daimo. Its ok, another 2 weeks and I wont be a tax officer any more.

PS the Brain never quite manages it btw... :P

So, the employee who is none the wiser, and think his BOSS is doing everything legit, still has to fork out, loosing out whatever happens......

Nice bosses you have there. They make these decisions yeah. Bet if they were taxed wrongly they wouldn't expect to pay it back....

How is it an employee f*ck up if they think they are being taxed properly.

Taxes i don't mind paying, taxes on things like paying other peoples wars etc I do. If they are for things i

Its not like we all get a run down of what our money goes to like in the US...

Originally Posted by Daimo

How is it an employee f*ck up if they think they are being taxed properly.

Its not. But neither is it the Revenues. Its the **** up of the accountants/directors who really should be held accountable, and from whom the money would be expected to be paid.

Taxes i don't mind paying, taxes on things like paying other peoples wars etc I do. If they are for things i

Its not like we all get a run down of what our money goes to like in the US...

Freedom of Information Act. Apparently thats supposed to make government spending accountable. Write to the treasury asking them how all the revenues spent - theyre legally obliged to provide that information these days.

Originally Posted by lynw

Given its fraudulently done, the employees wouldnt be expected to pay it immediately. The Revenue would pursue the company for the money first and foremost so the employees wouldnt have to have further deductions. If that fails THEN it would be collected by amending the employees tax code.

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But where does this leave the employee who has in essence already paid this. Surely the IR should chase down and prosecute the Employer not the employee.. after all, first the company screws with him/her, then the IR have a pop too?

Justice in this being where exactly?