Hughes vs. Gracie (UFC)

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Most MMA will learn many martial arts fully or partially and use what they, the student thinks is necessary. With what I am doing I have already stripped down a lot of what there is and teach what I think is necessary.

I fully agree with what you say about two fighters being comparable rather than two arts..... but the reaosn I asked his that in the quote above you make a comparison between what your art equips a fighter with compared to mma.

In my experience, most mma schools nowadays complete the integration of different arts for their students.... rather than the student taking what they feel is right. Ok, so different arts may be practiced at seperate sessions (e.g. Thai for conditioning/clinch/knees, boxing for footwork/punches, wrestling for takedowns/takedown defence/ground control, some kind of submission training for subs/sub defence)....... but there then tends to be training on how to integrate the chosen skillsets into mma. For example, boxing needs to be heavily modified for use within modern mma, as the angles etc are far different.

So are you interested in testing your skills at all in mma competition?

Originally Posted by akbarhussain

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I fully agree with what you say about two fighters being comparable rather than two arts..... but the reaosn I asked his that in the quote above you make a comparison between what your art equips a fighter with compared to mma.

In my experience, most mma schools nowadays complete the integration of different arts for their students.... rather than the student taking what they feel is right. Ok, so different arts may be practiced at seperate sessions (e.g. Thai for conditioning/clinch/knees, boxing for footwork/punches, wrestling for takedowns/takedown defence/ground control, some kind of submission training for subs/sub defence)....... but there then tends to be training on how to integrate the chosen skillsets into mma. For example, boxing needs to be heavily modified for use within modern mma, as the angles etc are far different.

So are you interested in testing your skills at all in mma competition?

Not wanting to be too picky, but how many mma schools have you attended to come up with this conclusion?

As for myself, no. I have had my fair few fights in similar tournements, and caused a fair few injuries, one major one that stopped me from training for a long time as I felt fairly sick after it happened. But no I now train and teach for self defence. If one of my students ever wanted to go in for mma then I would happily train them up.
Saying that, if I had more time to train and concentrate on myself (rather than teach), and a good training partner(s) then I would consider it. It's been a while since I fought anyone at my level. I would like to be pushed more, but teaching now is a higher priority to me than fighting.

Not wanting to be too picky, but how many mma schools have you attended to come up with this conclusion?

I have trained at React crosstraining in Notts (BBJ based submission wrestling for mma), Roughouse in Notts (modern mma striking/sub wrestling), Leicester shootfighters. And once funnily enough down your neck of the woods at Ashford Vale Tudo.

Not wanting to be picky either, but how many mma schools have you attended to come up with your conclusion?

Originally Posted by akbarhussain

I have trained at React crosstraining in Notts (BBJ based submission wrestling for mma), Roughouse in Notts (modern mma striking/sub wrestling), Leicester shootfighters. And once funnily enough down your neck of the woods at Ashford Vale Tudo.

Not wanting to be picky either, but how many mma schools have you attended to come up with your conclusion?

um, Ashford isn't really that close to me.

As for me and mma schools, I've now visited about 45 in total. I make it a part of my way of improving my teaching to go to as many different arts as possible. The latest being a place just opened called Keddles Gym. Haven't been for any training yet, but have spoken to one of the teachers. Seems to know his stuff.

I have now been training since I was 8, and moved from specific fighting styles to mma when I was about 20. I'm sure classes have changed since then, and more are moving to a similar way I teach (or should that be I am teaching a similar way to them). Which ever way it is, all training is down to a matter of preference. After watching all the ultimate fighter series' so far I have to say the teachings of the Matt Hughes and Tito Ortiz are the ways I prefer, and if I think I could keep students by pushing them harder and getting them to fight harder I would, but my students come for self defence reasons, and this is not the way most of them want to learn.
I have one student at the moment who really is pushing for mma training. I have no idea if he wants to fight in any tourneys but he is progressing well, but it is hard for him to practice as no one else at the club goes as hard as he does.

All this talk is making me wanna train more, and I am stuck here working(ish) . Well tonights gonna be a good lesson

As for me and mma schools, I've now visited about 45 in total. I make it a part of my way of improving my teaching to go to as many different arts as possible. The latest being a place just opened called Keddles Gym. Haven't been for any training yet, but have spoken to one of the teachers. Seems to know his stuff.

Cool, i'd be interested to hear which gyms/fighters you have trained with...... i'm a very big fan of UK mma and the scene so am familiar with alot of places.

I know of Keddles gym... a v good Thai gym. They are using Lee Johnstone for their mma training, seems to be all the rage nowadays to jump on the bandwagon.

Originally Posted by akbarhussain

Cool, i'd be interested to hear which gyms/fighters you have trained with...... i'm a very big fan of UK mma and the scene so am familiar with alot of places.

I know of Keddles gym... a v good Thai gym. They are using Lee Johnstone for their mma training, seems to be all the rage nowadays to jump on the bandwagon.

How do you know Keddles gym? I mean apart from it being a big name in Muay Thai, have you trained with Alan? It's just down the road (2 minute walk from my front door) and if it has rave reviews I will definately check it out sooner than is planned.

As for my training in mma, it started with Katsudo Kempo Karate, based mainly on Kempo, but was as close to mma as any Karate class has got. That got me really into mixing styles and my teacher Darren was a top bloke. Unfortunately I didn't get on with his teach who took over after Darren done his back in.
From there I trained at the Black Dragon gym in Croydon, which I think now has closed down. It was above inshops, but was very good as on a Sunday the gym was £5 and you trained as long as you wanted. I met plenty of fighters there and we all helped train each other in different styles.
I trained with Yoshin Ryu BJJ classes for a while, and Kamon wing chun/BJJ too.
Kevin Chan is a genius, but it's a shame most of his classes aren't taught by him and are far too big.
I also found that Frank Shamrocks courses when he came over here were superb and worth every penny.

Do you still train?

btw, shall we move this conversation to pm as I'm sure no one else is too interested in this and we are bumping a topic for just us.

I used to compete in kickboxing and had a handful of amateur thai bouts also..... Am more familiar with Keiron Keddle (through results etc) than Alan as he is the current fighter form the family.

Take this thread up in an e-mail/s.

Remember what Bruce Lee once said: "The Art of Fighting without Fighting"

Originally Posted by DanDare

Take this thread up in an e-mail/s.

Remember what Bruce Lee once said: "The Art of Fighting without Fighting"

Thanks Dan, I said that a while ago. I like a good discussion, but this seems a silly place to be continuing this.

Don't quite get the Bruce Lee comment though