Leave the UK?

Originally Posted by Hazzar

Well said my thoughts exactly the problem is no one is doing anything about it

exactly................ but what can the average joe bloggs do about it?

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Spanner Man

Namely, so called economic migrants, (as opposed to those being persecuted) really have no true justification to be here, therefore should only be allowed in if they can contribute to our economy. (400.000 Polish Citizens is more like an invasion, rather than them exercising their new found freedom).

Well... The entire point of an economic migrant is that they contribute to the economy, otherwise, they're just a migrant It's supply and demand, whether it's romanys doing harvests, irish digging canals, scots farming in america, mexicans in the meat industry in the southern US, british builders in east germany, or polish people doing absolutely everything, everywhere

Not many people object to the eastern europeans since they're basically like british people only not workshy

But it goes beyond that. Immigration in the UK pays for itself- even the insanely biased Immigration Watch accepts this. They tried to make political capital out of the fact that the gain is too low In other words, the benefit from temporary economic immigration and permanent renationalised migration (whether it's asylum seeking or otherwise) exceeds the cost of all immigration. Maybe pointing this out'll make me part of the PC brigade... I don't think it's PC at all, I'm saying the same thing as most of the antis, just that because I know the facts I come to a different conclusion- economic migration should only be allowed if it benefits us, just as those opposed say, but it does.

Not saying it's without its problems of course, nothing ever is.

At least you guys don't have the illegal imigrants problem we've got here in Malta. We're filling up with the lot. They arrive to our shores everyday. The Italian surveilance pinpoint them whilst halfway to their Sicily which happens to conveniently be our waters thus our responsability. Local contractors employ them to do all sorts of labour thus cutting out jobs from the Maltese citizens. Maltese don't stand a chance. The imigrants are happy to work for half the money and the sorry lads are reported before the month ends, before they get their wages. By whome you may ask, think a little, their employers maybe? It's incredible, and most of the population here still attends Sunday mass and receive the body of Jesus Christ. Contractors and polititions fill up the front rows. So I'll trade my sun for your grey skies and lovely roads mate.

Originally Posted by Razor

Nah, don't fancy OZ. They have the worst drought going on at the mo.

I was thinking more like Belize.

Belize - I've heard the bone fishing is great here - especially on the fly

But if I could sell up everyhitng I'd probably opt for packing up the panniers and riding around the world.

Originally Posted by northwind

Well... The entire point of an economic migrant is that they contribute to the economy, otherwise, they're just a migrant It's supply and demand, whether it's romanys doing harvests, irish digging canals, scots farming in america, mexicans in the meat industry in the southern US, british builders in east germany, or polish people doing absolutely everything, everywhere

Not many people object to the eastern europeans since they're basically like british people only not workshy

But it goes beyond that. Immigration in the UK pays for itself- even the insanely biased Immigration Watch accepts this. They tried to make political capital out of the fact that the gain is too low In other words, the benefit from temporary economic immigration and permanent renationalised migration (whether it's asylum seeking or otherwise) exceeds the cost of all immigration. Maybe pointing this out'll make me part of the PC brigade... I don't think it's PC at all, I'm saying the same thing as most of the antis, just that because I know the facts I come to a different conclusion- economic migration should only be allowed if it benefits us, just as those opposed say, but it does.

Not saying it's without its problems of course, nothing ever is.

Well... having managed a company which employed (note the ed, past tense) migrant workers, i find it hard to understand how sending most of their wages "home" to the family and keeping just enough so they can eat / sleep here is benefiting our economy? I could understand if they were spending their wages here but they dont. The people who i knew were living in a 2 bedroomed house, rented, 14 of them!! Again, when you consider that they were on pretty good money and each of them paying £20 a week towards the rent, there is quite a lot of money going "home". There will always be people who profess to know the facts about these matters, but it doesn't take away what people see every single day. When "visitors" to my country have more civil rights than "citizens" then there is something very wrong.

Sean

With you all of the way, Baldood. Thing is, if the benefits weren't so easy to pilfer, there would be no jobs for polish plumbers as the chavs would have to swap their tracksuits for overalls and get off their arses, and the foreigners probably wouldn't bother to come. Question is who the f can you vote for that would even make a dent in it all?

Originally Posted by ccurts

With you all of the way, Baldood. Thing is, if the benefits weren't so easy to pilfer, there would be no jobs for polish plumbers as the chavs would have to swap their tracksuits for overalls and get off their arses, and the foreigners probably wouldn't bother to come. Question is who the f can you vote for that would even make a dent in it all?

To my knowledge, there is only one party with big enough balls to promise to make a difference. Unfortunately, the party in question are seen as racist bigots because no one has taken the time to read their other policies. For instance making our streets safer for everyone, bringing back the powers for police / teachers to administer restraint / a clip round the ear to the young chavites etc. Seems the softly softly approach didn't work too well... hug a hoody? Kick him in the pants would be a better option!!

Sean

Originally Posted by ccurts

Question is who the f can you vote for that would even make a dent in it all?

you probaly wont like the answer, but if they could shed the racist image

http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/minimanifesto2007.pdf

Originally Posted by hovis

you probaly wont like the answer, but if they could shed the racist image

http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/minimanifesto2007.pdf

Seems we were thinking the same thing. S'funny that eh :P

[Spanner Man]

Originally Posted by northwind

Not many people object to the eastern europeans since they're basically like british people only not workshy

But it goes beyond that. Immigration in the UK pays for itself- even the insanely biased Immigration Watch accepts this. They tried to make political capital out of the fact that the gain is too low In other words, the benefit from temporary economic immigration and permanent renationalised migration (whether it's asylum seeking or otherwise) exceeds the cost of all immigration. Maybe pointing this out'll make me part of the PC brigade... I don't think it's PC at all, I'm saying the same thing as most of the antis, just that because I know the facts I come to a different conclusion- economic migration should only be allowed if it benefits us, just as those opposed say, but it does.

Not saying it's without its problems of course, nothing ever is.

Evening again.
We have already covered the isue or lazy Brits, & Eastern Europeans can indeed graft.....However as Baldood points out, there's no overall gain having them here if they're sending the money they earn back home.
I have to disagree with you regarding your allegation that immigration pays for itself, for if as has been suggested, Lazy Brits were made to go out & work, or face having benefits stopped, there would be far fewer jobs for the 'economic migrants' that you claim to be a benefit to our society. Henceforth they would become a burden, instead of the lazy Brits. Get my drift?

My honest opinion is that our society needs to be tougher in all aspects., & the precedent has been set many times as to what happens when a society capitulates to the masses & gives in......Zimbabwe anyone! Or South Africa in the not too distant future, if I'm not mistaken.

Not sure I'd like the BNP in power, all they do is spout the old NF rhetoric, but I'd definitely kick a hoodie up the backside for free.

Cheers.