Migrant Labour

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

That in its self is something to get worked up about, but people are more interested in what the McCanns are up to than what's going on in government.

People get the government they deserve.

I am surprised at your use of such a far sweeping statement as that FS. There are many instances that would counter your point. Unless that is you mean that given how a democracy works,if people fail to voice their strong objections to certain issues then they have no room for complaint, when their concerns are never addressed?

Originally Posted by Warthog

My main worry is overpopulation full stop. I couldn't get petrol on Saturday cos there were queues at 2 different petrol stations, and Sainsburies was rammed. Every road into Oxford is always gridlocked. I don't care if its migrants, nationals or aliens, I think the government really needs to cap our out of control population growth. Apparently at this rate we will hit 71 million in another 14 years! The increased traffic makes more problems, more congestion is more polution, is more wasted petrol, it just makes everything exponentially worse .

...plus more demand on other infrastructure. So we need a government that spends money on schools and hospitals. Shame that the one that purports to do so is intrinsically self-serving and dishonest. Ah, what goes around comes around

[Biker Biggles]

I seem to recall sleaze and economic mismanagement being the downfall of the previous Tory regime as well though Ed.Truth is they all do it,power being the corrupter and absolute power being---well you get the gist.
They all lie and cheat,and those that have integrity tend to go nowhere in political life.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

I am surprised at your use of such a far sweeping statement as that FS. There are many instances that would counter your point.

Such as?!

It's sad. But considering that 75-80% of all money earnt must go to the government, you'd think we'd have things like a decent transport network, and education system that was vaguely acceptable and taxation laws that leave a low earner like myself having to take on two jobs.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Such as?!

Burma and China instantly come to mind? Iran maybe? Are they really regimes that the people "deserve"?

For the hell of it:

Sudan

Sri Lanka

Uzbekistan

Azerbajan

Georgia

Sierra Leone

Cuba

Venezuela

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Burma and China instantly come to mind? Iran maybe? Are they really regimes that the people "deserve"?

For the hell of it:

Sudan

Sri Lanka

Uzbekistan

Azerbajan

Georgia

Sierra Leone

Cuba

Venezuela

Ah, sorry I missed a disclaimer, I ment democratic governments.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Ah, sorry I missed a disclaimer, I ment democratic governments.

I knew where you were coming from fella, I was only joshing with you.

Venezuela though is a democratically elected government led by that lunatic Chavez who is presently trying to push through a change to the constitution that will allow him to be re elected for ever and a day which is mightily scary.

[Biker Biggles]

I dont think the premise holds even for democratic governments unless we are talking about true democracy which doesnt exist.
Here in blighty for example general elections are decided by a very small number of floating voters in a couple of dozen marginal seats.Maybe 20-30.000 voters effectively decide the outcome.Conversely where I live,a safe Tory seat,it matters not a jot how I vote as the result is always the same.
Similarly in America I recall Bush got in on the strength of a tiny number of (as it turns out)fiddled votes in Florida.These things tend to be decided by those rather more powerful than us mere voters I feel,at least where it matters.

[Lissa]

We've had Poles, Hungarians, Portugese, Somalians, Czechs and Romanians at my work place. Some were hard working, some weren't. Some spoke good English, some spoke so little that training them properly in the use of the machinery was almost impossible. I don't have a problem with them coming here to work, but I do have a problem if the language barrier prevents them from understanding the safety requirements of the job. I don't want to be dismantling a saw to remove the fingers of someone who didn't understand about the proper use of the guards. And no, I'm not being alarmist. I had to deal with one of our Polish workers on Friday who had almost totally severed his right index finger in the wood saw.