The Org Scottish Referendum

Originally Posted by The Basket

The conservative party got about 13% of the vote in last Scottish parliament and Ruth Davidson has proven to be effective.
That's a big phone box. The only way the Yes campaign can stop any possibility is banning the conservative party.
Perhaps they too will be included in 'the day of reckoning'

What they're failing to consider is that by going independent they will actually be adjusting the class system in Scotland, This is likely to push people into the bracket that would traditionally be considered Conservative supporters and actually gain them votes.

Additionally, over time, they will lose the stigma of being associated with the UK Tories and become a much more viable option.

If the economic disaster befalls Scotland that is going to happen.
How ironic that it will be the Tory party that saves the day.

Has this thread swayed a single person to change their vote? If so please post and tell us.

Betfair are paying out on it being a No vote 3 days early, which means either they have better info than the pollsters or they are bluffing.

Don't rule out the first one completely, it's their job to know the likelihood of the outcomes of these things and for things like this they are rarely wrong.

However, in this case I suspect they are chancing their arm. They have a fledgling sportsbook which they are trying to promote and the amount of money involved is probably small enough for them that they can get away with it.

https://betting.betfair.com/politics...160914-51.html

[carelesschucca]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-reveals.html

So who's lying this time? Papers or the SNP?

neither?

You can make cuts to current services either to save money or to supply new ones. If it's the latter they can claim not to be "making cuts" whilst making them as they shuffle money to be spent on more procedures and drugs.

[Heorot]

Originally Posted by carelesschucca

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-reveals.html

So who's lying this time? Papers or the SNP?

The SNP of course. I'll bet there are a lot of these cuts in preparation for a Yes vote because I can't see the SNP's sums adding up. There are a lot of cost that Scotland would have to bear that have not been widely circulating. Scotlands share of the National Debt for one. Salmond seems to think he can avoid this but I don't think so.

Don't forget, Scottish governments for the forseeable future will be socialist. We know that Socialist governments on this Island have ALWAYS screwed the economy by excessive borrowing.

[TamSV]

Originally Posted by Spank86

neither?

You can make cuts to current services either to save money or to supply new ones. If it's the latter they can claim not to be "making cuts" whilst making them as they shuffle money to be spent on more procedures and drugs.

Yep. They are increasing the budget while also looking for efficiency savings in existing services. Same as always.

Originally Posted by TamSV

Yep. They are increasing the budget while also looking for efficiency savings in existing services. Same as always.

Really?
I was just conjecturing. Cool.

[BanannaMan]

Originally Posted by Fordward

What I think Westminster have missed, is the number of people who aren't voting for Salmonds plan, they are taking the only chance they'll ever have, to vote for the Independant country they've always wanted, then they'll get rid of Salmond and worry about how they actually achieve it afterwards. It's a brave move, but they don't call it Scotland the Brave for nothing.

Agreed.
If Scotland does vote in favor of independence these will be the votes that decide it.
It's more than just politics and economics to some.

Excellent "Yes" advert here playing heavy on that theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX6w_-QMH3E

Propaganda?
Not to those who feel that way.

Interesting on that side of the pond all the talk of economic doom to Scotland.
On this side of the pond there is more worry about the blow to the UK's economy especially in the North.