De-restriction process

[yorkie_chris]

Just trying to point out that though that is the "average" corpse, this is actually the sort of biker that these rules, and the governmant in general, treat as the most responsible.
It's weekend warriors who need controlling, not people who actually use bikes as transport.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Just trying to point out that though that is the "average" corpse, this is actually the sort of biker that these rules, and the governmant in general, treat as the most responsible.
It's weekend warriors who need controlling, not people who actually use bikes as transport.

He's right

Matt

Originally Posted by Jester666

Current rules are fine.

No, they suck for anyone young trying to get a bike or a licence.

Originally Posted by timwilky

Sorry but I am of an age where you did your test on a 250 and rode what you liked. That worked very well. You ride like a knob you die. end of problem. I cannot see what was wrong with this method. passing on a 125 with sod all power and then jumping onto a full 33bhp is stupid. However it is just the same as passing a DAS and jumping on a blade/R1. I know people who have done it ok, but I also know some who have been bitten.

The 250s of my youth were plenty fast enough to teach you how to ride prior to doing your test. I would not support additional tests, or time delays etc. Simply get rid of the 33bhp restriction. or better still force all learners irrespective of age to do their test on a full power bike.

I also support the scrapping of unaccompanied learners. A CBT is not enough to equip a learner to ride on the road.

+1 on all of that.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

No, they suck for anyone young trying to get a bike or a licence.

Yup

More complicated, more ways to get banned, more expense all round.

(+£50 - £150 on top of the cost of any bike if you beleive all the bullsht that FI int. put out)

The New EU law they're bringing in is brilliant but only having 12 bhp until 19 isn't. At 17 i feel 33bhp is probably about right but having to be restricted for 4 years is silly.

I'd go with >21 - 6 months holding a CBT before putting in for a test

But for anyone of any age 33bhp for a year and then 60 bhp for 2 years and 100bhp for another 2 years.

I agree people who ride day to day understand more about conditions be it weather, road or whatever than Mr Weekend Warrior with his 10 year old Blade with 1K on the clock but to do some restriction on mileage is almost impossible.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by thefallenangel

The New EU law they're bringing in is brilliant but only having 12 bhp until 19 isn't. At 17 i feel 33bhp is probably about right but having to be restricted for 4 years is silly.

I'd go with >21 - 6 months holding a CBT before putting in for a test

But for anyone of any age 33bhp for a year and then 60 bhp for 2 years and 100bhp for another 2 years.

Why is that a good thing?

2 sets of restrictor kits to f### around with? 4 YEARS before you're apparently responsible enough for a real bike?
60 bhp is sod all in the real world, most cruisers make more than that!

Insurance companies do the restricition for you - no young lad can afford the insurance on an R1, so what's the point of making it illegal for him to ride one until he's 21. If he does buy one, rides uninsured and kills himself, then that's another one to fish out of the gene pool before he's procreated...no great loss to society.

Harking back to the days when I passed my test in 1979, you could ride a 250 on L plates, which more often than not didn't have 33bhp anyway. You passed a test, and there wasn't any restriction on how long you held a provisional, and then you bought a bigger bike if you could afford it, which many couldn't. Like someone's already said, if you rode like a nob and died, so what, you only had yourself to blame. Darwinism in action.

Why do we need all this crap about 12bhp, 33bhp, 2 years on a provisional, retake CBT, retake tests, 6 points and you're banned etc etc, it's all bullsh1t and it's about time there was something done to reverse this trend in making life harder for everyone's sake.

The more laws you put in people's way, the more they will break them.

[yorkie_chris]

Like I've said before, it seems like it would be easier for me to have an old EXUP, and not bother with insurance or stopping if pulled.
Whats the point? They don't punish people for such things realistically anyway.

Of course I don't do this, but it feels like an easier course of action sometimes!

What about determining from Tax codes by age against insurance etc or summit like that? Its hard to explain what i mean............