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30-03-18, 02:50 PM | #31 |
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Re: London not to include motorcycle in it's traffic congestion strategy
Disapointed you didn't read my post properly, the source of my stats was official gov stats
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...cgb2016-01.pdf The ROSPA fact sheet precis it https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/ad...facts-figures/ UK Govenment reported road casulties https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...cgb2016-01.pdf Why is it ok to have presumed liability in every country in the EU, but not in the UK, where the biggest cause of road deaths and serious injury A quote from Lord Denning in 1982 "in the present state of motor traffic I am persuaded that any civilised system of law should require, as a matter of principle, that the person who uses this dangerous instrument on the road dealing death and destruction all round should be liable to make compensation to anyone who is killed or injured in consequence of the use of it. There should be liability without proof of fault. To require an injured person to prove fault is the gravest injustice to many innocent persons who have not the wherewithal to prove it."
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30-03-18, 07:30 PM | #32 |
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Cyclists and motorcyclists, of which I am both, really should look out for each other. Sure there are a-hole cyclists, but I would much rather come across one of those than an a-hole car driver. Obviously there are no a-hole bikers
It never ceases to amaze me when I hear bikers slating cyclists, and vice versa, we are in the same boat FFS. I always give cyclists room and consideration when on the mbike, or in the car. Why not? |
30-03-18, 07:42 PM | #33 |
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Careful you'll be labelled a fanatic like me
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30-03-18, 07:51 PM | #34 |
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I posted similar views on a cycling forum where they were slating bikers. Some of them replied as if I was some sort of Antichrist.
So yes there are some real a-hole cyclists, and whilst I might want to punch them, I certainly would not want to put them in a life threatening situation....let alone myself. Its not a war out there, or if it is, we are in the firing line, like the cyclists. |
30-03-18, 07:59 PM | #35 |
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Aholes in every branch of road users I'm afraid
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30-03-18, 10:19 PM | #36 |
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I'm not going to argue with any suggestion that we should try and make our roads safer, and I'm certainly in favour of trying to achieve that by improving driver and rider behaviour, both of those with and without engines..... rather than through more and more legislation, however my original point still remains unanswered.
Your suggestion was that introducing a presumption of fault on the part of the motorist would improve driver behaviour and reduce casualties, and I pointed out that countries that already do so have a worse casualty rate than we do. Nothing you have subsequently said has explained why that is the case. The entire British legal system works on the presumption of innocence until shown otherwise. In practice nothing should be presumed, every incident should, and generally is, examined and directed according to the information available and the circumstances prevailing. I for one hope that will continue to be the case. In my experience once a presumption is adopted in the belief that it will support one side of a case it is widely abused, such as it has been in domestic violence and sexual abuse cases recently. Be careful what you wish for folks. |
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What it does is transfer is instead of the cyclist or pedestrian having to prove the motorist was at fault, it puts the onus on the motorist to prove they were negligent. This way damages can be claimed from the motorists insurance, but can be challenged. This'll be dealt with under Civil law With the advent of dash cams it's a whole lot easier for the motorist to show the stupid cyclist or pedestrian was negligent. Much harder for the cyclist or pedestrian to show negligence on the motorists part https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/media...-uk-vs-europe/ http://www.cyclealert.com/presumed-liability-the-facts/
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Or are you seriously suggesting there should be a system where, even though the incident isn't attributable to them, the motorist should pay compensation? I'm trying to think of a better incentive for motorists not to stop at the scene of any incident but failing miserably. |
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Positive discrimination is every bit as bad as the other kind, if anything it may make cyclists more reckless if they know they will be always presumed to be in the right. Every case should be looked at with unbiased eyes, otherwise it is not justice as I understand it. I don't think I have ever seen a rear view mirror on a cycle, and cyclists seem to fall into two categories where lights are concerned, they either have the eye scorching powerful rechargeable LED lights, which are angled in such a way they can temporarily blind other road users or they have no lights or reflective gear at all and appear suddenly like ghosts in your headlight beam.
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Lord Denning isn't someone I would have chosen to lecture us regarding a "civilised system of law". Here's part of an interview... Interviewer: Nevertheless, were you glad to see the death penalty abolished? Denning: Not really. It ought to be retained for murder most foul. We shouldn't have all these campaigns to get the Birmingham Six released if they'd been hanged. They'd have been forgotten, and the whole community would be satisfied. Interviewer: But would justice have been satisfied if the wrong men had been hanged? Denning: (chuckles) No. There is always that danger. Interviewer: If they had hanged the Guildford Four they would have hanged the wrong men, wouldn't they? Denning: No. They'd probably have hanged the right men. Not proved against them, that's all. Source: http://archive.spectator.co.uk/artic...nd-his-england That's just a quick taster of the man, besides being happy to see innocent men hanged he had other horrendous opinions as well. I always think its a mistake to make such pronouncements. |
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