I've got a shotgun, do you want me to help?

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

People who haven't been burgled often fail to appreciate that it's not the material goods going missing that is the real crime. It's worrying that they'll be back, being unable to sleep for weeks afterwards, wondering if every little noise at night is them returning. It's feeling unsafe in your own home. If the burglars are killed the first time round, I would imagine all this would be alleviated.

Exactamundo

I wonder how different the case would have been if they were white guys. America seems to have gone backwards in racial equality

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

Yep. One colleague was advised, by a police officer- shoot them and then straight away shoot the wall next to them. Claim the hole was the first shot (a warning shot) which they ignored and then you had no choice but to shoot them.

Police officers perverting the course of justice are no better than thieving scum or homicidal gun wielding suburbanites.

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

As to this case, boohoo, some scum died and an innocent man's property was protected by his (good) neighbour. No property is worth you dying over, but is it worth some thieving human waste dying over over? Oh yes...

No property is worth anyone dying over. Sorry, fundamental disagreement there. The police operator even says "Nope, don't do that. Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over. Ok?" If not for the alleged thieving scum, but for yourself, it's easy to be blase about it now, but you'll have killed someone, in cold blood. I can't imagine that ever leaves you. You're going to be a screw up for the rest of your life. Because of a VCR.

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

People who haven't been burgled often fail to appreciate that it's not the material goods going missing that is the real crime. It's worrying that they'll be back, being unable to sleep for weeks afterwards, wondering if every little noise at night is them returning. It's feeling unsafe in your own home. If the burglars are killed the first time round, I would imagine all this would be alleviated.

You're going to feel safer if the burglars are killed? You sure about that? You real sure? The burglars might not, but what about their family, their parents, brothers, sisters, kids you've just orphaned, and friends? I'd imagine they'd be somewhat ****ed off, and as we're in the business of writing off entire social groupings, they're probably "scum" too. Well armed scum. And this time, they won't be looking to take your VCR. No, you took family from them, this time it really is eye for an eye.

Oh and on the race thing, yep it certainly shouldn't come into it, but G2D is right, this is America, this is Texas, the US hasn't gone backwards in racial equality so much as it's not really gone forwards. Ever noticed in the US how every single worker in McD is black or hispanic? Or how the adverts for washing up liquid feature black actors, and the ads for dishwasher tablets have white actors?

Much as we like to bash this country we live in here, the perception I've gotten on my world travels is that the most forward thinking racially diverse and tolerant country in the world is the UK. Not that there isn't still a helluva lot of work to do.

I think everyone her has missed the point. I think if I was the neighbour Id be gutted if I got home to find my house had been burgled, butr surely this cannot compare to the horror of finding the body's of those two ugly scrotes laying dead on your front lawn. Fancy having to clean them up!

Originally Posted by Keith1983

I think everyone her has missed the point. I think if I was the neighbour Id be gutted if I got home to find my house had been burgled, butr surely this cannot compare to the horror of finding the body's of those two ugly scrotes laying dead on your front lawn. Fancy having to clean them up!

Nah, does wonders for the lawn, you'll have the greenest grass in the neighbourhood. And if you've paved over, hell, just sell it on ebay - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FISH-BLOOD-BON...QQcmdZViewItem

[Biker Biggles]

Yes but what about the overshot pellets that ruined the decor?
Id be well hacked off if I came home to find my neighbour had blown a hole in my front door with his shotgun just cos some scrotes were nicking the vcr.Do you know how much a new door is?

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Yes but what about the overshot pellets that ruined the decor?
Id be well hacked off if I came home to find my neighbour had blown a hole in my front door with his shotgun just cos some scrotes were nicking the vcr.Do you know how much a new door is?

Hmm, ok, I'm struggling a bit with that one. How about those fake stick-on bullet holes, stuck over the actual bullet holes? Then you put your house up for sale, tell potential purchasers that the stick-ons were done by the grandkids playing cowboys and indians, sell up and move to a house with a nice new door. Probably best not to tell potential purchasers about the armed gang who'll be knocking on the bullet ridden door out for vengeance for their dead thief mate.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

You're going to feel safer if the burglars are killed? You sure about that? You real sure? The burglars might not, but what about their family, their parents, brothers, sisters, kids you've just orphaned, and friends? I'd imagine they'd be somewhat ****ed off, and as we're in the business of writing off entire social groupings, they're probably "scum" too. Well armed scum. And this time, they won't be looking to take your VCR. No, you took family from them, this time it really is eye for an eye.

Thats exactly what would happen.

And i know most people do worry about a burglar coming back but most of that is pointless paranoia as few burglars return to a house unless they know there was much more to be had and a very weak/defencless person there to intimidate. Most times they have no idea who lives there and they wont take the risk of commming back.
But kill em and you may as well paint a target on your own back.

[G]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

The perception I've gotten on my world travels is that the most forward thinking racially diverse and tolerant country in the world is the UK. Not that there isn't still a helluva lot of work to do.

And its certainly not always a good thing, not when your told 'sorry you havnt got the job, there was 130 white british applicants and 14 ethnic applicants and only 8 jobs, 6 of which had to go to ethnic or other minority group'

Backwards decrimination is ever increasing in this country.

Sorry back on topic.

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

Much as we like to bash this country we live in here, the perception I've gotten on my world travels is that the most forward thinking racially diverse and tolerant country in the world is the UK. Not that there isn't still a helluva lot of work to do.

I don't disagree with this at all. Even the Dutch (who are proud of their so-called "integration") seem like bigots compared to the British generally. There are facets of religious tolerance that I'm not sure I agree with, but in terms of race, we're pretty good. I don't really see what race has to do with this though; my view would be the same if it was a pair of white guys being shot. It's not like the guy was shouting "yee-haw I got me some [insert derogatory ethnic descriptor] here!" *bang bang*

[northwind]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

He was a nutcase but the police should take some of the stick for Tony's actions. He really was a nutter who was pushed too far by having repeated burglaries and no police intervention.

At least one of his reported thefts was false, he claimed he'd had a tractor nicked when he'd sold it for scrap years before. He wasn't done for wasting police time as it was put down to him being a confused old man. Another one had loads of contradictions, according to "anonymous sources" in the police anyway, but then maybe they're just trying to shift the blame, who knows.

OTOH, they'd failed to confiscate his shotgun when they took the other one away, so maybe it WAS their fault