CBR 125 or YZF R125?

[SoulKiss]

Waits and chomps on popcorn (well have to get rid of the newline characters) while waiting for Lozzo to get further down the thread.....

Originally Posted by Lozzo

The YBR is probably the worst built Yamaha I have ever seen.

Would it also happen to be the cheapest (new) Yamaha you've ever seen? How bad is bad?

Also - what do you mean by "built". My CG is covered in rust and looks really tatty. So arguably it's build quality was rubbish, however I think it's mechanically sound and good for a long time yet, so all is not exactly lost.

Originally Posted by suzsv650

You, do not know what you are talking about.....

Is that so?

I await your in depth, or even shortened, post on why you think an RS125 would be a suitable learner bike? Or were you refering to the information i posted about where the Honda and Yamaha are made. If that's the case then check the headstock plates on either...it's all written there

Here's my reasons why the RS125 should be avoided:

- Expensive to buy new and used because they have a reputation for being fast, therefore every 17 year old chav to55er wants one.
- Poorly made (don't try and kid yourself that they aren't)
- 2 stroke
- Peaky engine makes them difficult to learn on
- Unreliable
- Expensive spares
- Incredibly rubbish electrics
- Short service intervals
- 10K piston life
- Used ones are invariably abused by some idiot 17 year old.
- Every 17 year old chav to55er will try and steal it.

I work on a variety of bikes day in day out, I see enough RS125s to know how crap they really are.

Originally Posted by 2mths

Would it also happen to be the cheapest (new) Yamaha you've ever seen? How bad is bad?

Also - what do you mean by "built". My CG is covered in rust and looks really tatty. So arguably it's build quality was rubbish, however I think it's mechanically sound and good for a long time yet, so all is not exactly lost.

Some of the smaller Yamahas like the supermoto 50 (made in Spain by Derbi I think) aren't all that bad. The TZR50 (Made by Belgarda in Italy)uses the same Minarelli AM6 engine that the Aprilia RS50 has, and they are generally reliable as long as the owners don't try to tune them and if they are run on decent quality fully synth 2-stroke oil. The YBR wasn't as well put together, it had riough edges and the finish of things like the chassis parts wasn't brilliant.

CGs haven't been made in Japan for years, and the quality has suffered a little. The worst ones were those made in Turkey, but the Brazilian ones aren't as bad.

Originally Posted by Lozzo

, but the Brazilian ones aren't as bad.

my 1990/91 Brazillian one os ok then!!

It has a few bits of corosion on it but it starts first time and runs well. I think this winter i may treat it to a full service and change the brake shoes and chain and sprocket. , ohh that will cost me about 50 quid LOL

[yorkie_chris]

50 quid... I fitted entire new running gear and engine for less than that

[SoulKiss]

Well my CG is of the Turkish Delight variety....

I'm still waiting....

dips into soulkiss's popcorn when hes not looking.......

Originally Posted by Lozzo

CGs haven't been made in Japan for years, and the quality has suffered a little. The worst ones were those made in Turkey, but the Brazilian ones aren't as bad.

Mine's Turkish!