Do the poor deserve financial help?

Originally Posted by ophic

Not easy to do it well. Like most things. But very easy if you don't give a monkeys about your kids and spend most of your life on drugs.

STOP - READING - THE - DAILY - MAIL

How dare you taint drugs by associating it with scrotes!

[L3nny]

Originally Posted by pencil shavings

you first example dosent exisit im afraid. becuase think about it, if it really did then everyone would do it.

my mom was a single parent, raised me and my brother, we grew up on a council estate in london in a rubbish area and didnt have anything becuase we had no money. Im not giving you some bleeding heart story but that is the reality. I honestly thought i was going to end up in jail and get some girl pregnant as that was what was around me everywhere.

only by a stroke of luck and generosity was my mom able to get us out of that situation.

so i take great offence when people claim that its easy to be a single mom on benifits. becuase it isnt.

Sorry mate it does exist, I am not saying everyone who lives on a council estate is like this and I am not really refering to people who live on run down estates in large cities.

I know people I went to school with who live in brand new houses in pleseant cotswold towns. A similar house on the same street would be £200k + but beacuse they decided to have kids at 18 instead of getting a job they can live there for about £200 a month

Not having a go at people who really need help, only the people who see haing kids and living off the social as a career path

Originally Posted by Dave20046

but if everyone gets given a basic sum of money to live on for doing sweet eff all, a lot of people wont bother contributing to society or a step further use crime to afford their luxuries and everyone will move here for more of the easy life!

will move here???
dont you imigrants where you live dave? bloody hell im moving to your end of town.

[yorkie_chris]

There are enough scrotes around here with no intention of work and a happy enough life on the dole.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

'Poverty' in England is an interesting concept

wasnt it in the news the other week that currently the uk is worse off thanks to its borrowing than all 3rd world contries except uganda or something.

Ours is in 90million of debt yet they only owe 60 odd.

Now thats irony!

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Dave20046

but if everyone gets given a basic sum of money to live on for doing sweet eff all, a lot of people wont bother contributing to society or a step further use crime to afford their luxuries and everyone will move here for more of the easy life!

Yes and no........

The basic sum will keep you in Tesco Value Beans (ok not quite THAT basic a diet, I also see "meal packs" as a way forwards - raw ingredients with recipe cards), put a roof over your head and clothes on your back.

I never said anything about TV, Mobile Phones the Internet and the like (although I can kind of see an argument for including those - but think < 20" TV's, Terminals only really just powerful to browse the web etc and 10 year old Nokia's rather than the Gadget Show Cream of the Crop.

The "National Basic Wage" will keep you alive but its not going to be the high life.

Look at it like the Hotel Ratings system.

Dont work, then you get a 1* life.

Do community work (and there is more than enough little jobs like that to go around, whether its litter-picking, graffiti-cleaning etc, manual unskilled labour essentially) at minimum wage on an ad-hoc part time basis - you turn up to some office that advises you of where work is, you go there, do what needs to be done, your hours are credited then paid to you electronically at the end of the day (6pm), that, with some application of effort will give you some spare cash, thats the 2* life

Get a "real" part-time job and theres more cash so 3* life is on the cards for you

Etc Etc

Most of the above is just as its occurred to me so there are bound to big holes in the system.

Also I dont mention things like "top-ups" for single parents, the disabled and the elderly, anyone qualifying as one of these would probably have a 3* rating.......

how far until were just suggesting communism?

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by pencil shavings

so i take great offence when people claim that its easy to be a single mom on benifits. becuase it isnt.

Its not easy being a single mum full stop. I have given my son everything I could possibly give him in the four years I was on my own.I have owned my home since I was 23, I bought that as a single bird! But after the relationship with my sons dad went up the kyber( I took a career break to have him), I had to think quick and take any job i could
I worked in pubs at first on very little hours. I got a job over the weekend on nights, so it didn't interfere with school, and I could be there for him during the holidays and have a full time wage. If I gave this job up now, finding something else to suit just wouldn't be found. So my social life is non existent, but my life with my son has benefitted.
Tax credits have helped me very much, if I hadn't have had them when I needed them, I'd have lost everything I worked hard for. Single parents aren't always lazy dossers on council estates that scrounge a living sat on their backsides, neither are a lot of those on benefits either. Its a very hard game to play working full time and bringing kids up on your own.....just some would prefer not to try. Those who are in a position where its just not possible shouldn't always be thought of as lazy dossers, as most would really like to be in the position I was in, you've just got to bloody work extra at it.

[L3nny]

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

Its not easy being a single mum full stop. I have given my son everything I could possibly give him in the four years I was on my own.I have owned my home since I was 23, I bought that as a single bird! But after the relationship with my sons dad went up the kyber, I had to think quick and take any job i could.
I worked in pubs at first on very little hours. I got a job over the weekend on nights, so it didn't interfere with school, and I could be there for him during the holidays and have a full time wage. If I gave this job up now, finding something else to suit just wouldn't be found. So my social life is non existent, but my life with my son has benefitted.
Tax credits have helped me very much, if I hadn't have had them when I needed them, I'd have lost everything I worked hard for. Single parents aren't always lazy dossers on council estates that scrounge a living sat on their backsides, neither are a lot of those on benefits either. Its a very hard game to play working full time and bringing kids up on your own.....just some would prefer not to try. Those who are in a position where its just not possible shouldn't always be thought of as lazy dossers, as most would really like to be in the position I was in, you've just got to bloody work extra at it.

And here is the problem, the majority of people who receive help are just like yourself and deserve it. I have no problem with my taxes helping people like yourself when you need help. No doubt you will be ion a position on day when you don't need help and will even pay the help you received back.

The problem is the system is so easy to take advantage of and a lot of people see enefits as a long term solution and will always depend on them, and no doubt their kids will be exactly the same.

How do we prevent the pi$$ takers without taking help away from the people who really need it?

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

Its not easy being a single mum full stop. Single parents aren't always lazy dossers on council estates that scrounge a living sat on their backsides, neither are a lot of those on benefits either. Its a very hard game to play working full time and bringing kids up on your own.....just some would prefer not to try. Those who are in a position where its just not possible shouldn't always be thought of as lazy dossers, as most would really like to be in the position I was in, you've just got to bloody work extra at it.

yep, it is hard (not that ive done it personally)