Woman Racers, Grid Girls, and feminists!

[anna]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

It seems the difference between those that are good club racers and those that are international stage racers is as much to do with pushy parenting as anything else. Any interview with F1 or MotoGP or WSB level riders and drivers seems to indicate they were doing go-karts / junior kick start etc shortly after nappies. The folks that are on the international stage now are, eg. 20 something, which probably means their parents were born in 1960 something, which means their parents had 1960s values and were typically (although not always, naturally) pushing their kids into gender stereotyped actitivies.

I think this sums it up spot on.

Originally Posted by Daimo

Feminists are usually huge, ugle, with warts on their faces. They are jealous, nothing more...

Motorcycle racing requires strength though, lots of it. Whilst i'd love to see a successful female motorcycle racer, I just can't see them cutting it at the very top level.

Same reasons why males are faster/stronger when it comes to athletics etc (before the women start whinging away).

Huge generalisations in that statement, I think someone is laying serious bait here!!

Yes motorcycle racing requires strength as it does being nippy and light, something that women are quite capable of as well!

Anna, come off it, i've never seen a Feminist who isn't some kinda strange weirdo person, who never listens to reason, only what they want to say, and everyone else is wrong. Women are undervalued blah blah..... Maybe in their lifes sure (hence why they are doing this for the "greater good of women"), but you don't hear those who are actually doing the jobs moaning about it. Feminists don't understand different people enjoy different things. Women don't HAVE to get into porn for example, but if they want to, they do it. Feminists go mental about it.... Why, none of their business what those or any women does.



Being nippy and light only helps if you have the strength. So whilst your 50kg frame maybe able to corner a bike at the apex 2-3mph faster, could your actual frame as a women be able to cope with stopping from 200mph lap after lap after lap? Can you honestly say you know of any women with half the skillset to be able to push the brakes just that little bit more to gain that place????? Its physical strength, and whilst I agree theres no reason why a lady couldn't improve these areas of strength, I personnally don't think they could cut it at the very top level in bike racing.....

Car racing, much easier, less movements. Fingers and toes. But as of yet there are no women who could compete at the top level, nor a few levels below it.

Im not being degrading to women, im mearly stating my own opinion fact. Just like its simple fact that men run faster than women, men are stronger than women etc..... Sure there are cases which would prove this wrong, but generally, on the whole, there is no way you can admit otherwise......

i.e, bench press record for a lady? And for a man?
100m Sprint record?
800m sprint record?

Etc etc etc.....

As said, before all the women hippies start complaining, i'd LIKE to see more women in motorsport, but we need a few more generations, ladies building the right muscles and working on the mental constraints (ironically i think women would find this part easier) to compete at the very top.

Flame and whinge all you want, thats what I think, and haven't been dis-proved yet...

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Daimo

But as of yet there are no women who could compete at the top level, nor a few levels below it.

So you've never heard of Michele Mouton then...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich%C3%A8le_Mouton

Nope I haven't, but im deffo enjoying the read....... Rallycar stuff doesn't mpress me, 4wd owned the world despite reliability issues.

However, to win the Pikes Peak does impress me



Rallyings not my thing tbh... But then again, its cars, they are easy

I can see this becoming a huge whinge fight now

[anna]

Originally Posted by Daimo

Anna, come off it, I’ve never seen a Feminist who isn't some kinda strange weirdo person, who never listens to reason, only what they want to say, and everyone else is wrong.

As I said this is a huge generalisation.

Without the Feminist movement there is a lot that wouldnt have changed for women, i.e.; voting, abortion rights etc. I am sure you have heard it all before but it is recent history 60 years since these things changed.

I would say that Grid girls, or girls in mags aren´t degrading or in any way against what the feminist movement stands for.

Originally Posted by Daimo

Being nippy and light only helps if you have the strength. So whilst your 50kg frame maybe able to corner a bike at the apex 2-3mph faster, could your actual frame as a women be able to cope with stopping from 200mph lap after lap after lap?

So take Rossi... his light frame of 78KG is SO much heavier and able to cope then a lighter 50Kg frame with muscle built on top?

As said before there are much more likely reasons for females not being in the top leagues, nothing to do with talent.

Originally Posted by Daimo

As said, before all the women hippies start complaining, i'd LIKE to see more women in motorsport, but we need a few more generations, ladies building the right muscles and working on the mental constraints (ironically i think women would find this part easier) to compete at the very top.

Originally Posted by Daimo

Flame and whinge all you want, thats what I think, and haven't been dis-proved yet...

I absolutely agree that in a few more generations I think we will start to see female riders coming into the sport at higher levels, and being able to get bigger sponsorship deals.

I am not flaming you or whinging at you... the last time I checked this was a discussion

There was a woman in 125 GP's a few years back.
Sammi Tasker is racing up here in the 125's in Scotland.
Anita Buxton, Maria Costello, etc race at NW200 and Isle of Man.
I remember a couple of years ago there was an all female team at Le Mans 24.
But...many, many years ago (1982? maybe) when women racing was almost non-existant (maybe Hilary Musson was racing the TT back then?) I remember being down at the Bol d'Or at Paul Ricard and reading in the programme there was a woman racing in one of the teams! Oh! the excitement! Practically unheard of! Then I saw her. An ex-man from Holland. Six foot, strapping he-she! .....so disappointed!

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Funny

For the original post or because we kicked the sh!t out of Toyplop..?

Originally Posted by anna

I am not flaming you or whinging at you... the last time I checked this was a discussion

I was expecting an on-slaught from the female members

Agreed about feminists, was a sweeping statement.. You know the types I mean

if the ladies can get competitive in racing then i for one would love to see them on bsb,wsb,wss,gp grid i don't see the problem tbh.

Originally Posted by Daimo

grunt

fair's fair, given that most misogynists' knuckles drag on the floor and they can't string a sentence together